Malcolm> For those who don't read comp.emacs.xemacs, Andrew Choi Malcolm> has announced a new port to XEmacs Heh, heh, heh. Let that be a lesson to those of you who believe in "no exceptions". Malcolm> It's a much more conservative effort which makes it Malcolm> easier to understand. It also builds using the standard Malcolm> './configure ; make ; make install' sequence rather than Malcolm> the existing convoluted process. That's easy enough to do with Pitts's version, of course, although internally much of the build would be done via Xcode. Malcolm> I find the combination attractive to work on. Others may Malcolm> think so too. It's not the way Mac applications are grown, and it doesn't even admit a word-for-word translation. I don't think this will attract any more new developers than the Windows port has (which is to say "zero"), except (obviously) for Andrew himself. Do you have reason to believe otherwise? I have always thought Pitts's port was very much in the spirit of XEmacs. Do it radical, do it right. Unfortunately, to a Mac user or developer it currently looks like somebody tried to write a parody of a Mac app and didn't quite succeed even at that. Without Pitts it's not going anywhere; I don't know how to get past the threads vs. stdio locking problem that currently prevents it from even starting on Panther. (Not that I know much about Mac OS X, but I'm the closest thing remaining to a champion/expert for the port.) Malcolm> I'd like this version to be adopted as the MacOS port Malcolm> with a view to incorporating it into the mainline in the Malcolm> nearish future. If Andrew is willing to join the Review Board and champion his port, and make sure it integrates with 22.0, that's fine with me. (That's also the only chance I see of attracting developers in the face of a well-established GNU Emacs port.) Otherwise it should wait until either 22.0 is released or we decide that's not going to happen any time soon. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

Stephen> If Andrew is willing to join the Review Board and champion his Stephen> port, and make sure it integrates with 22.0, that's fine with Stephen> me. (That's also the only chance I see of attracting Stephen> developers in the face of a well-established GNU Emacs port.) Stephen> Otherwise it should wait until either 22.0 is released or we Stephen> decide that's not going to happen any time soon. This URL is somewhat dated: http://www.sixthhappiness.ca/blog/2003/12-28/index.html but suggests that Andrew is no longer interesting in maintaining a MacOS X port of GNU Emacs. Perhaps the GNU Emacs port will become less well-established over time. Skip