Michael makes two very important points in two separate posts on this thread I want to say "Amen!" to and add stress. Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de&gt; writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... Andy> Please reconsider. I personally think this should be on Ben's Andy> showstopper list since we can fix it right now. The applicable phrase is "we can fix the problem independently of the release". We're in a new generation of XEmacs. Non-dumped Lisp packages can be fixed in an instant independently of whether a new core is released. If you don't understand this, please think about it for awhile. It's true, and I've been practicing it with InfoDock since early July. Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de&gt; writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: Andy> What about just applying jonathan's patch? Ditto regarding XEmacs patches I integrate.