Hrvoje> Jeff Miller <jmiller(a)smart.net&gt; writes: Hrvoje> Is the "quickurl" thing compiled? yes/ Hrvoje> One thing that can trigger loading cl-macs in run-time is Hrvoje> running uncompiled (and thus un-macroexpanded) Lisp. but this got me looking more. Turns out the auto-autoload.el was not byte-compiled. Once I byte-compiled it, no more cl-macs.el loading i just checked here at home, and the same thing. a non-byte-compiled auto-autoload.el in my pgnus dir. Byte compiled and, again, no more cl-macs. Jeff