Karl, did you miss the whole "Debian packagers do their own thing flamefest? No. This is a MAJOR user interface change. And frankly, I think it is _not_ part of the job you are doing. If you want to help develop XEmacs thats more than OK with me. But please use the regular channels for that and not use your position as a Debian for that. No it isn't. Including your experimental patches in a major distribution is. Even more if you are going to ignore bug reports about it. Distribution packages are not the right place to do beta testing. Note that the issues here are _not_ easy to solve (you do know that what you describe was in the XEmacs betas once and was taken out again, do you?). No you _need_ to spend time on email first. You _need_ to discuss the design. Jan (at) xemacs.org