David> This bug report will be sent to the XEmacs Development Team, David> not to your local site managers!! David> Please write in English, because the XEmacs maintainers do not have David> translators to read other languages for them. David> In XEmacs 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) of Tue Aug 3 1999 on fsui02 David> configured using `configure sparc-sun-solaris2.6 --prefix=/usr/local --bindir=/usr/local/bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.6 --site-prefixes=/usr/scratch/sect4/cgw/local' David> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug David> and the precise symptoms of the bug: David> (X)Emacs creates ".saves*" to record some information (I'm David> not sure what). The difference is that Emacs creates a David> name that ends in "~" while XEmacs does not. The "~" in David> the name makes it easier to collect and delete these files David> using dired-flag-backup-files. Could XEmacs change to use David> this convention? Hi David, M-x recover-session is the proper interface to these autosave files. This will bring up a dired buffer in which you can mark, visit, delete the session files. It's probably a feature they can't inadvertently be deleted with the common idiomatic sequence of ~ runs the command dired-flag-backup-files x runs the command dired-expunge-deletions -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

David> This bug report will be sent to the XEmacs Development Team, David> not to your local site managers!! David> Please write in English, because the XEmacs maintainers do not have David> translators to read other languages for them. David> In XEmacs 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" [Lucid] David> (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) of Tue Aug 3 1999 on fsui02 configured David> using `configure sparc-sun-solaris2.6 --prefix=/usr/local David> --bindir=/usr/local/bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.6 David> --site-prefixes=/usr/scratch/sect4/cgw/local' David> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug David> and the precise symptoms of the bug: David> (X)Emacs creates ".saves*" to record some information (I'm David> not sure what). The difference is that Emacs creates a David> name that ends in "~" while XEmacs does not. The "~" in David> the name makes it easier to collect and delete these files David> using dired-flag-backup-files. Could XEmacs change to use David> this convention? APA> Hi David, APA> M-x recover-session APA> is the proper interface to these autosave files. APA> This will bring up a dired buffer in which you can mark, APA> visit, delete the session files. David> Hmmm. The documentation in that buffer could be written a David> little better. The text mentions using 'd' to mark a file Any suggestions, or patches even? David> for deletion, but it doesn't tell you about expunge. David> Because the buffer is accessed via a special command David> (recover-session) and because the format of the buffer is David> slightly different, its not obvious that the buffer is a David> dired buffer or that all the same rules apply. Doesn't it say Dired in the modeline? APA> It's probably a feature they can't inadvertently be deleted APA> with the common idiomatic sequence of APA> ~ runs the command dired-flag-backup-files APA> x runs the command dired-expunge-deletions David> Perhaps. That's certainly what I do with GNU Emacs. Since David> I never really understood what they were and since they David> were always showing up, I just wanted to get rid of them. David> BTW, I have never seen any info documentation of David> recover-session (although there is docs on recover-file). David> Am I missing something? (This would explain the previous David> paragraph.) I get this with C-h a recover-session RET Apropos search for: "recover-session" * = command (M-x) or user-variable. a = autoloaded, b = byte-compiled, i = internal, l = lambda, m = macro. Functions and Macros: b* recover-session - Recover auto save files from a previous Emacs session. b* recover-session-finish - Choose one saved session to recover auto-save files from. Variables and Constants: David> -- David> David Masterson David> Sr. R&D Engineer David> Synopsys, Inc. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

I think these are all good points you're bringing up. xemacs-beta: Who are the experts in this area? Documentation on recover-session is indeed lacking. Here's some evidence: cd c:\Program Files\XEmacs\XEmacs-21.5-b2\info\ egrep -ni recover-session *.info* NUL Compilation started at Tue Jul 31 23:38:57 2001 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) lispref.info-25:424: `recover-session' command uses these files. xemacs-faq.info-2:360: You can use the command `M-x recover-session' after a crash to pick grep finished (3 matches found) at Tue Jul 31 23:39:02 Adrian >>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de&gt; writes: >>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de&gt; writes: >>>>> "David" == David Masterson <dmaster(a)synopsys.com&gt; writes: David> (X)Emacs creates ".saves*" to record some information (I'm not David> sure what). The difference is that Emacs creates a name that David> ends in "~" while XEmacs does not. The "~" in the name makes David> it easier to collect and delete these files using David> dired-flag-backup-files. Could XEmacs change to use this David> convention? APA> M-x recover-session is the proper interface to these autosave APA> files. This will bring up a dired buffer in which you can mark, APA> visit, delete the session files. David> Hmmm. The documentation in that buffer could be written a David> little better. The text mentions using 'd' to mark a file David> for deletion, but it doesn't tell you about expunge. APA> Any suggestions, or patches even? David> Actually, I don't see a reason for bringing up a dired buffer for David> recover-session anyway. Wouldn't it be enough to just ask for a David> "Session file?" in the minibuffer and allow filename completion to do David> the rest. This special dired buffer doesn't seem to be doing anything David> special that you need to confuse people with having yet another David> methodology for doing file selection (minibuffer query, X popup, David> Dired, ???). David> Because the buffer is accessed via a special command David> (recover-session) and because the format of the buffer is David> slightly different, its not obvious that the buffer is a dired David> buffer or that all the same rules apply. APA> Doesn't it say Dired in the modeline? David> Sure, but the differences were enough to make me think there was David> probably something else going on here. After all, dired buffers don't David> have "^C^C" commands for selecting a file to pass to some other David> operation. Since the buffer went out of its way to put at the top David> what should be done, it's easy to think that that's the only things David> that can be done. APA> It's probably a feature they can't inadvertently be deleted APA> with the common idiomatic sequence of APA> ~ runs the command dired-flag-backup-files APA> x runs the command dired-expunge-deletions David> Perhaps. That's certainly what I do with GNU Emacs. Since David> I never really understood what they were and since they David> were always showing up, I just wanted to get rid of them. David> BTW, I have never seen any info documentation of David> recover-session (although there is docs on recover-file). David> Am I missing something? (This would explain the previous David> paragraph.) APA> I get this with APA> C-h a recover-session RET David> Obvious (as is describe-function), but its not really an explanation David> of recover-session in the same sense as the Auto Save section of the David> XEmacs Info docs for recover-file. David> * what is a session? David> * why would I want to recover it? David> * what will it recover when I recover it? David> * how does it differ from (a set of) auto save files? David> (I can guess some, but I don't really know the answers to these, so David> don't ask me to write the info docs on it. ;-) David> -- David> David Masterson David> Sr. R&D Engineer David> Synopsys, Inc. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/