Kevin> I also think efs REALLY needs to be included in the base Kevin> distribution! Jan> Package get really needs to use http by default as stripped-down Jan> url-http is a lot more lightweight then efs and can therefore be put Jan> in the base distribution. (MS has refused making an efs-light for this Jan> purpose, for good reason). I think this is very important. Setting up efs is not always easy, especially if you're behind a firewall[1]. But almost all companies have an http proxy to let people go out and get stuff. Right now I have to manually ftp packages, so I just usually end up ftp'ing the entire packages directory because it's too much work to update just the packages I want. Ray Footnotes: [1] Our kerberos access, which I could never get to work with efs, is being phased out with an ftp proxy. However, efs won't work with that because the ftp proxy requires a user id/password to get access to the proxy. Then you need a user id/password for the site you're going to. So, I'm still stuck with having to ftp everything manually.