2:32 p.m.
I greatly appreciate the suggestions people sent to help me get the
XEmacs 21.5 beta (horseradish) working on my new iMac after a long
absence from fiddling with such things. XEmacs is such a gigantic thing
that whenever I've moved to a new version it takes about a week for all
the pieces to stop rolling.
Most everything works fine, but it's not perfect. It's probably best for
me to address remaining issues one at a time.
My first questions have to do with configure options. This is where
things stand.
o I use a directory ~/xemacs to build and stage.
o Beneath that I extracted xemacs-21.5.33 and xemacs-packages (from the sumo).
- I know that xemacs-packages ultimately goes elsewhere. (See below.)
o I can build horseradish if I configure using --with-mule, but not if I
*don't* use --with-mule.
- Is this an error? (I think someone suggested it might be.)
- I don't actually use MULE (to my knowledge!) I've known about it
since its existence but paid little attention. That's all about
foreign character sets, right?
- Don't I need another bundle of elisp files to actually use that?
- I assume xemacs will continue to work without it, as long as I don't
try to do anything MULEish? (Like type in Japanese, which I would be
really hard, given that I wouldn't even know how to sneeze in
Japanese.)
o Someone (Raymond?) mentioned --with-xft. What's that? Do I need it?
I've read the configure --help and still can't answer that question. I
do have X11. Help says I also need Xft, Xrender, freetype, and
fontconfig. How do I know if I have those? Among my remaining problems
are inconsistencies with fonts and like.
o I was able to install with no problems using sudo make install. It put
stuff in /usr/local (in bin, lib, and share). (Yes, you veterans all
know this. I'm just reporting that it does what it's supposed to. I
have no desire to do anything unconventional at this stage. Bear with
me.)
o I unwound the packages sumo in /usr/local/share/xemacs, i.e., they're
all now in /usr/local/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages and directories
below. This seems to have been the right thing.
Other questions will follow.
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Lynn David Newton
Columbus, Ohio
neologisticsediting.com
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4:22 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com>wrote:
o I can build horseradish if I configure using --with-mule, but not if I
*don't* use --with-mule.
- Is this an error? (I think someone suggested it might be.)
- I don't actually use MULE (to my knowledge!) I've known about it
since its existence but paid little attention. That's all about
foreign character sets, right?
That's basically all I use it for.
- Don't I need another bundle of elisp files to actually use
that?
Grab the mule-sumo tarball from the same place you got the xemacs-sumo
tarball. Extract in share/xemacs. You should end up with
share/xemacs/mule-packages.
- I assume xemacs will continue to work without it, as long as I
don't
try to do anything MULEish? (Like type in Japanese, which I would be
really hard, given that I wouldn't even know how to sneeze in
Japanese.)
Good question. I don't know, but since you can't build without mule, just
grab the mule sumo and be done with it. Even though I'm basically
illiterate, it is nice seeing things how other people literate people see
it. Then I can maybe ask someone what it means. :-)
o Someone (Raymond?) mentioned --with-xft. What's that? Do I need it?
I've read the configure --help and still can't answer that question. I
do have X11. Help says I also need Xft, Xrender, freetype, and
fontconfig. How do I know if I have those? Among my remaining problems
are inconsistencies with fonts and like.
That enables nice font rendering. It's not necessary, but does make the
display nicer. (I notice that it really sucks if you run xemacs
remotely.[1])
I don't think all those extra things (Xft, freetype, fontconfig) come with
XQuartz or OSX. I had to install them from MacPorts (or use Fink). But
that also ends up installing lots of other things that you might or might
not want.
I assume that xemacs is working out pretty well for you now.
Ray
[1] I used to be be able to run xemacs (not tty!) over a dialup modem
pretty well if I turned off the toolbar, menubar, and scrollbars. I can't
do that very well anymore even over a cable modem nowadays. Bummer.
Turning xft off helps a lot, but not really very usable. Thankfully,
there's tramp.
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New subject: slow remote XEmacs (was beta configure options)
Raymond Toy wrote:
[1] I used to be be able to run xemacs (not tty!) over a dialup
modem
pretty well if I turned off the toolbar, menubar, and scrollbars. I can't
do that very well anymore even over a cable modem nowadays. Bummer.
21.4 was working okay for me remotely using gnuclient, with scrollbars
and menubar, until my employer changed the VPN system. IIRC, latency
went from 20ms to 100ms or more. I also noticed that there would often
be a bunch of network chatter even though the desktop had been idle for
the better part of a minute. I eventually gave up and went back to
using tty mode for remote access.
With cable modem you might also be running into bufferbloat.
I see a redraw issue with a local XEmacs 21.5 that has Xft enabled. For
example, after doing C-x 5 b +action RET, it looks like the "+action"
buffer gets drawn multiple time before things settle down. I guess this
is the same issue Steve T. mentioned, though I'm not sure.
mike
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:32:54 -0500
Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
o I can build horseradish if I configure using --with-mule, but not
if I *don't* use --with-mule.
Did you get the "mule not enabled" errors? Just go into the
xemacs-beta/lisp directory and remove all the *.elc files. You could
just remove the files that complain, but I find it easier to just
delete all of them. They will be rebuilt when you do a make.
Cheers,
Sean
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Sean MacLennan writes:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:32:54 -0500
Lynn David Newton <lynn.newton(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> o I can build horseradish if I configure using --with-mule, but not
> if I *don't* use --with-mule.
Did you get the "mule not enabled" errors? Just go into the
xemacs-beta/lisp directory and remove all the *.elc files. You could
just remove the files that complain, but I find it easier to just
delete all of them. They will be rebuilt when you do a make.
`make beta' now depends on `make elcclean', which does what you'd
expect (`make beta' also does a `make clean', which probably isn't
what you want if the compile and link succeeded in a fresh source
directory).
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:09:28 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
`make beta' now depends on `make elcclean', which does what
you'd
expect (`make beta' also does a `make clean', which probably isn't
what you want if the compile and link succeeded in a fresh source
directory).
Thanks, that worked for me. Will it stay as "make beta" even once
released?
Cheers,
Sean
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Sean MacLennan writes:
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:09:28 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
> `make beta' now depends on `make elcclean', which does what you'd
> expect (`make beta' also does a `make clean', which probably isn't
> what you want if the compile and link succeeded in a fresh source
> directory).
Thanks, that worked for me. Will it stay as "make beta" even once
released?
Yes. "make beta" has been in the Makefile of both development and
stable XEmacsen for decades; I don't see any point in removing or
renaming for stable -- we just won't particularly advertise it.
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