Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch&gt; writes: IIRC, the thread included me, Steve and Jason. This is a .sig, you know. I've never pretended such a thing. All I said is that it was not announced on usenet. When I left Japan, Steve said that the first 21.1 was going to be out in less than 2 weeks. That's why we thought it wasn't worth announcing a fucked up release. I'm not responsible for the delay. Jan, you know, you're not especially the one that gets bored with this situation. Everybody feels like you. But it depends on Steve, and I don't know why he remains silent. -- Didier Verna <didier(a)xemacs.org&gt; Please visit the XEmacs homepage at http://www.xemacs.org !