Karl Kleinpaste <karl(a)justresearch.com&gt; writes: I am fairly sure it all works dandy on windows. Please remember that Andy is fighting an uphill batttle against Xt (somehow I get the feeling that Motif is wrongly blamed for its buggy-ness, because despite desperate efforts other widgets beyond athena seem to have the same problems). Let's do that Gtk port :-) [Note: I am fairly sure they do work. The redisplay engine simply isn't showing them.] Please read the comments that go along with Andy's patches. There is probably some as yet undiscovered internal problem with the redisplay engine internals that is causing all this. The most frustrating part of this that it takes Andy's time away from working on other usages of the gutter and the buffer widgets that may have much more impact on usability. So in that sense I agree with out sentiment. Jan