At 01:11 PM 6/4/00 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: But this would be possible if you ditched the modeline and minibuffer entirely and put them all in a semi-permanent gutter. Alternatively you could have a fifth gutter that sat below the minibuffer. I guess if we made native edit fields behave like buffers (Ben thinks this is easy) then putting the minibuffer somewhere more arbitrary would be straightforward. andy -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Andy Piper Principal Consultant, BEA Systems Ltd