dv> Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com&gt; wrote: dv> Sure, I don't dislike macros either. The question is to get the dv> balance right between code redundancy / modularity and macro overdose. I think the best answer is to get a compiler that's smart enough to inline code, and replace the macros with inline functions. Oh, and while we're dreaming, instead of C++, I think it should all be written in Common Lisp, with just a little bit of ordinary C code. Ala CMUCL. :-) :-) :-) Ray