9:03 a.m.
Byrel and I finished getting a new xpm-mode uploaded to text-modes.
It was obvious where that went because it was an update to an existing
package
by the same name in text modes.
Now there are 2 more packages to upload, new ones that are not an update
to an existing package. Where do we put them?
One is buffer-colors.el, a package that involves an easy method for
changing buffer
colors on the fly, both with a menu interface and with a customize
interface. It also
has a rule-based method of changing colors on new buffers, based on
things you
know about a file, such as file attributes (if it is read only) and by
file-name extensions
(.c or .cpp, for example), or by time (or any other thing you can know
about a file),
or any other thing, such as changing the colors by a time period, every
hour or 2, to
ease eye strain, for example.
We were thinking it might go in edit-utils package--what do you think?
The second file is icon-themes.el, a package to change icons as a "set"
in the
XEmacs menu bar.
There are 5 kinds of icon "sets" or themes so far:
text icons
Oxygen (from KDE)
Open Icon Library
Tango Icons
default icons that come with XEmacs
More icon themes can be added by anybody with an included template. The
three
that are from OSS icon libraries (Oxygen, Tango, and Open icon library)
have
different sizes of icons based on sizes that are distributed in each of
those libraries,
from 32x32 up through 128x128, though not all of those sizes exist in
each of the
distributed libraries. When someone gets libsvg working within XEmacs,
it will be easy to adapt this to using scalable graphics as well as
xpm's and png's that
it does now. We have on the menu under Options-->Icon Themes, though
that can be
changed. Where do you think this package should be put?
The second question is, once we figure out where to upload them, who do
we ask for
permission to upload them at that place (or places)?
I am hoping to get these uploaded pretty quickly since Byrel goes back
to grad school
in less than a week. We have used each of them between 6 and 10 months
here, so
while they are not perfect, we feel they are stable at least as far as
not crashing.
I can upload a copy of the two files if that is needed to tell where
they should go.
Steve Mitchell
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steven Mitchell writes:
One is buffer-colors.el, a package that involves an easy method for
changing buffer colors on the fly,
What are "buffer colors"? Do you mean background and foreground
colors of the default face?
We were thinking it might go in edit-utils package--what do you
think?
Seems reasonable.
The second file is icon-themes.el, a package to change icons as a
"set" in the XEmacs menu bar.
"Menu bar"? Do you mean the toolbar? The menubar doesn't normally
sport icons AFAIK, I don't even know if it supports them.
I think that one can go in edit-utils as well.
text icons
Oxygen (from KDE)
Open Icon Library
Tango Icons
default icons that come with XEmacs
Are these GPL-compatible (either under the GPL or under a license that
that is freer in all respects than the GPL)? If not, I don't think we
should include them in the same package. To avoid GPL encumbrance,
they should be distributed in a separate package as a "convenience to
users", not as part of our distribution. As long as it's a verbatim
distribution (which makes sense for icons), the "mere aggregation"
clause clearly covers us.
The second question is, once we figure out where to upload them,
who do we ask for permission to upload them at that place (or
places)?
Mike Sperber <mike(a)xemacs.org>. You need to get (a) bitbucket
account(s) and commit access to the relevant packages, then add the
new files, commit, and push. Then send mail to Norbert Koch
<viteno(a)xemacs.org>, who actually creates the tarballs and uploads
them to the FTP/HTTP host. I'm not sure what to do about non-GPL icon
themes; they'll have to wait.
I could probably do it it (I think I have the permissions) but I
haven't done it yet and Mike is more likely to be able to get things
worked out on your time schedule.
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2:53 a.m.
On 12/31/2011 08:14 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
steven Mitchell writes:
> One is buffer-colors.el, a package that involves an easy method for
> changing buffer colors on the fly,
What are "buffer colors"? Do you mean background and foreground
colors of the default face?
Yes, that is correct.
> We were thinking it might go in edit-utils package--what do
you
> think?
Seems reasonable.
> The second file is icon-themes.el, a package to change icons as a
> "set" in the XEmacs menu bar.
"Menu bar"? Do you mean the toolbar? The menubar doesn't normally
sport icons AFAIK, I don't even know if it supports them.
Oops, I did indeed
mean the toolbar.
I think that one can go in edit-utils as well.
> text icons
> Oxygen (from KDE)
> Open Icon Library
> Tango Icons
> default icons that come with XEmacs
Are these GPL-compatible (either under the GPL or under a license that
that is freer in all respects than the GPL)? If not, I don't think we
should include them in the same package. To avoid GPL encumbrance,
they should be distributed in a separate package as a "convenience to
users", not as part of our distribution. As long as it's a verbatim
distribution (which makes sense for icons), the "mere aggregation"
clause clearly covers us.
I put a text file, sources.txt, in each icon directory
and it lists the
names of the icons
and the place I got them from and the license. The three sources for
the icons were
mentioned as desirable (as far as I remember) on xemacs-beta about 6
months ago or so.
Tango was fine, public domain
Oxygen icons are LGPL
Open Icon Library was a problem as the whole collection was not released
under a
single license--they have icons with 7 licenses, but they sort them by
licenses each in separate
directories in the devel tar.gz on their site. Just to make things
interesting, they have
many of icons listed as having dual licenses. As good-looking as some
of the icons are, we stuck
to just those we new the license would be Ok (I think). The text icons
are created by making a glyph in
XEmacs with the 'string option, so we figure that is covered as GPL3 or
later, same as the notice
we put in the icon-themes.el file. The 5th set was the default icons
from XEmacs, so users can put
everything back to normal. I have other ideas, but that is all that is
implemented now.
I am not an expert in licenses, so if I made a mistake, I will find new
icons and repair the themes.
> The second question is, once we figure out where to upload
them,
> who do we ask for permission to upload them at that place (or
> places)?
Mike Sperber<mike(a)xemacs.org>. You need to get (a) bitbucket
account(s) and commit access to the relevant packages, then add the
new files, commit, and push. Then send mail to Norbert Koch
<viteno(a)xemacs.org>, who actually creates the tarballs and uploads
them to the FTP/HTTP host. I'm not sure what to do about non-GPL icon
themes; they'll have to wait.
OK I will email Mike Sperber.
I have a bitbucket account and have fixed the ssh key problem.
We uploaded the xpm-mode a few days ago, but I didn't know to send an
email to
Norbert Koch. I'll do that too.
The problem with the ssh key was including just enough of the file.
the ssh public key file was 5 pieces:
header at the top (ssh, etc)
a single space
the key
a single space
a user:domain
First tried to copy/paste just the key, and then the whole
thing--neither worked.
then copy/pasted the header, single space, the key, leaving off the
second single space and
the user-domain statement. That worked.
Just mentioning what worked in case someone else has trouble, maybe it
will help them.
Thank you for the help.
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>>>> steven Mitchell <smitchel(a)bnin.net> writes:
Now there are 2 more packages to upload, new ones that are not an
update to an existing package. Where do we put them?
Since these are new packages why not show them to the list for
approval and test. If they are small I guess they could be posted
verbatim to xemacs-patches or you could make them available through
some service out there.
Yours
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Ar an triochadú lá de mí na Nollaig, scríobh steven Mitchell:
Byrel and I finished getting a new xpm-mode uploaded to text-modes.
It
was obvious where that went because it was an update to an existing
package by the same name in text modes.
Now there are 2 more packages to upload, new ones that are not an update
to an existing package. Where do we put them?
One is buffer-colors.el, a package that involves an easy method for
changing buffer colors on the fly, both with a menu interface and with a
customize interface. [...] We were thinking it might go in edit-utils
package--what do you think?
That sounds reasonable; either there or xemacs-base.
The second file is icon-themes.el, a package to change icons as a
"set"
in the XEmacs menu bar. [...] We have on the menu under Options-->Icon
Themes, though that can be changed. Where do you think this package
should be put?
Will the other themes be in separate files? If so, a new icon-themes package
would seem to be the way to go.
The second question is, once we figure out where to upload them, who
do
we ask for permission to upload them at that place (or places)?
Well, first of all, upload them in (a) personal repositor(y|ies) there
(ideally following the XEmacs package structure), and then come back to the
list; that will make integrating them into the XEmacs packages easiest.
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