Oliver Graf writes: About the old GIF code; no one volunteered to maintain that code and no one howled with remorse when it was gone. We've had several people working on the Lucid widget code. Bugs are fixed; features are added. Different situation. About implementing new stuff; yes, absolutely. But developers tend to forget the maintenance costs. When you decide to support a new toolkit, you're making a years long commitment. The users are going to hate you if you hack in Gtk support and then let it rot. Gtk's bugs are now your bugs, Gtk's maintenance is now, in part, your maintenance. Are the new feature worth all this? What I've seen of the discussion tells me the answer is still "no", but maybe someone will post a feature list that convinces me (or some other hacker) otherwise and the port will get done. Until then I would prefer to see the hacking enthusiasm directed toward less pie-in-the-sky goals. We have a long list of them, just waiting for itchy idle hands to take them up.