11:17 p.m.
Hello Steve, All!
In my build package I want to refer to latest version number and date
of the package.
For my own private packages I use CVS keywords $Name and $Date.
It involves running
cvs tag NAME
cvs update -r NAME -kv
prior to building the package.
We agreed a while back that this process I use does not suit the needs
of the package release engineer.
Now my question:
How do I maintain synchronisity between version number and version
date between documentation, Makefile, and sources?
What's worse:
Package Release Engineer controls version number in Makefile
Package build process controls date of package release.
Developer/Maintainer needs to keep version number and date up-to-date
in elisp and texi sources.
This can't work.
What can we do?
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3:26 a.m.
Let me preface this by saying that I don't think I totally understand
what you are trying to do here.
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> Hello Steve, All!
APA> In my build package I want to refer to latest version number and date
APA> of the package.
[...]
APA> How do I maintain synchronisity between version number and version
APA> date between documentation, Makefile, and sources?
Not sure, but maybe this will help:
---
APA> What's worse:
APA> Package Release Engineer controls version number in Makefile
This shouldn't be a problem at all. Don't forget that as a package
maintainer, Adrian, you only need to worry about $AUTHOR_VERSION, not
$VERSION.
APA> Package build process controls date of package release.
What's wrong with this?
APA> Developer/Maintainer needs to keep version number and date up-to-date
APA> in elisp and texi sources.
Just the version number. 'date' and 'build-date' (see doc string in
above function) are both generated.
APA> This can't work.
Sure it can.
APA> What can we do?
Well, possibly (hopefully) I've given you the tools to answer that.
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10:22 p.m.
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> Let me preface this by saying that I don't think I totally understand
SY> what you are trying to do here.
I want to be able to refer to the equivalent of the CVS keywords $Date
and $Name in the packages sources.
In emacs lisp I want to initialize build-version and
build-version-date from thme.
In texi sources I want them specify the curent release and release date.
SY> |--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> Hello Steve, All!
APA> In my build package I want to refer to latest version number and date
APA> of the package.
SY> [...]
APA> How do I maintain synchronisity between version number and version
APA> date between documentation, Makefile, and sources?
SY> Not sure, but maybe this will help:
Not really.
SY> ---
SY> (defun pkg-get-info (package information &optional remote)
SY> "Get INFORMATION about PACKAGE.
SY> Argument PACKAGE is the name of an XEmacs package (a symbol). It
SY> must be a valid package, ie, a member of either `pkg-std-packages' or
SY> `pkg-mule-packages'.
SY> Argument INFORMATION is a symbol that can be any one of:
SY> standards-version Package system version (not used).
SY> version Version of the XEmacs package.
SY> author-version The upstream version of the package.
SY> date The date the package was last modified.
SY> build-date The date the package was last built.
SY> maintainer The maintainer of the package.
SY> distribution Will always be \"xemacs\" (not used).
SY> priority \"low\", \"medium\", or
\"high\" (not used).
SY> category Either \"standard\" or \"mule\".
SY> dump Is the package dumped (not used).
SY> description A description of the package.
SY> filename The filename of the binary tarball of the package.
SY> md5sum The md5sum of filename.
SY> size The size in bytes of filename.
SY> provides A list of symbols that this package provides.
SY> requires A list of packages that this package requires.
SY> type Can be either \"regular\" or
\"single-file\".
SY> If optional argument REMOTE is non-nil use a package list from a
SY> remote site. For this to work `package-get-remote' must be non-nil.
SY> If this function is called interactively it will display INFORMATION
SY> in the minibuffer."
SY> (interactive "SPackage: \nSInfo: ")
SY> (let ((remote-site package-get-remote))
SY> (unless remote
SY> (setq package-get-remote nil))
SY> (package-get-require-base t)
SY> (let ((all-pkgs package-get-base)
SY> info)
SY> (if (package-get-key package :version)
SY> (progn
SY> (loop until (equal package (caar all-pkgs))
SY> do (setq all-pkgs (cdr all-pkgs)))
SY> (setq info (plist-get (cadar all-pkgs) information))
SY> (if (interactive-p)
SY> (message "%s" info)))
SY> (setq package-get-remote remote-site)
SY> (error (format "%s is not a valid package" package))))
SY> (setq package-get-remote remote-site)))
APA> What's worse:
APA> Package Release Engineer controls version number in Makefile
SY> This shouldn't be a problem at all. Don't forget that as a package
SY> maintainer, Adrian, you only need to worry about $AUTHOR_VERSION, not
SY> $VERSION.
OK, I don't need to control $VERSION.
$AUTHOR_VERSION will do fine.
APA> Package build process controls date of package release.
SY> What's wrong with this?
When I commit package sources I cannot put in the correct release date
since it's unknown at this point.
APA> Developer/Maintainer needs to keep version number and date up-to-date
APA> in elisp and texi sources.
SY> Just the version number. 'date' and 'build-date' (see doc
string in
SY> above function) are both generated.
I want to refer to release date in texi sources.
Is it a requirement for packages to build without cvs access to
cvs.xemacs.org?
If I could do this ...
all:: update-for-release $(ELCS) $(MULE_ELCS) auto-autoloads.elc custom-load.elc
$(INFO_FILES)
update-for-release:
cvs update -r $(AUTHOR_VERSION) -kv
... then I could use $Name in emacs lisp and texi sources.
Is this verboten?
APA> This can't work.
SY> Sure it can.
APA> What can we do?
SY> Well, possibly (hopefully) I've given you the tools to answer that.
SY> --
SY> |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 10D5C9C5>---|
SY> | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. |
SY> | It's a way of life. |
SY> |------------------------------------<youngs(a)xemacs.org>---|
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http://www.xemacs.org/
3:49 p.m.
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>>>>>"SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> Let me preface this by saying that I
don't think I totally understand
SY> what you are trying to do here.
APA> I want to be able to refer to the equivalent of the CVS keywords $Date
APA> and $Name in the packages sources.
APA> In emacs lisp I want to initialize build-version and
APA> build-version-date from thme.
APA> In texi sources I want them specify the curent release and release date.
I understand wanting to keep the version number synched and only have
to update it in one place, but why do you want to bother with the
release date?
FWIW, it would be very easy to do a bit of Makefile trickery that
creates a 'build-version.el' and 'version.texi' on the fly when
building the package. And then it would be child's play to have Build
reference those two files for version info.
We could possibly do it for the build-date as well, but I'm not sure,
I'd have to check at what point in the build process it is generated.
I've got a feeling that it would be too late to do anything with it.
APA> How do I maintain synchronisity between version number and version
APA> date between documentation, Makefile, and sources?
SY> Not sure, but maybe this will help:
APA> Not really.
Oh well, I'm finding it useful. :-) Sorry it doesn't help you.
APA> Is it a requirement for packages to build without cvs access to
APA> cvs.xemacs.org?
It's not written in stone anywhere, but it definitely should be.
APA> If I could do this ...
APA> all:: update-for-release $(ELCS) $(MULE_ELCS) auto-autoloads.elc
APA> custom-load.elc $(INFO_FILES)
APA> update-for-release:
APA> cvs update -r $(AUTHOR_VERSION) -kv
Sorry Adrian, but there's no way that I am going to let you do this.
A lot of people (esp. your's truly) do not have 24/7 access to the
'net. And I very often build packages while I am offline.
We'll have to see if we can't come up with another way to do what you
want.
Sorry for the bad news.
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9:38 p.m.
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
<lines deleted by Adrian>
APA> Is it a requirement for packages to build without cvs access to
APA> cvs.xemacs.org?
SY> It's not written in stone anywhere, but it definitely should be.
APA> If I could do this ...
APA> all:: update-for-release $(ELCS) $(MULE_ELCS) auto-autoloads.elc
APA> custom-load.elc $(INFO_FILES)
APA> update-for-release:
APA> cvs update -r $(AUTHOR_VERSION) -kv
SY> Sorry Adrian, but there's no way that I am going to let you do
SY> this. A lot of people (esp. your's truly) do not have 24/7
SY> access to the 'net. And I very often build packages while I
SY> am offline.
I agree. I have given up on the above idea.
I noted last week that I have not commited the above hunk which was in
a patch of mine.
SY> We'll have to see if we can't come up with another way to do
SY> what you want.
Yeah, I'll keep thinking about a satisfactory solution.
Later,
Adrian
SY> Sorry for the bad news.
SY> --
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SY> | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. |
SY> | It's a way of life. |
SY> |------------------------------------<youngs(a)xemacs.org>---|
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http://www.xemacs.org/
11:24 p.m.
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>>>>>"SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> update-for-release:
APA> cvs update -r $(AUTHOR_VERSION) -kv
SY> Sorry Adrian, but there's no way that I am going to let you do
SY> this. A lot of people (esp. your's truly) do not have 24/7
SY> access to the 'net. And I very often build packages while I
SY> am offline.
APA> I agree. I have given up on the above idea.
APA> I noted last week that I have not commited the above hunk which
APA> was in a patch of mine.
Yep, saw that.
SY> We'll have to see if we can't come up with another way to do
SY> what you want.
APA> Yeah, I'll keep thinking about a satisfactory solution.
Have a look at what I did with './ess/Makefile', that might give you
something to work on.
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