Pema> Pema> The NEWS file claims that vertical-motion is corrected in 21.0. Then Pema> how I can use the new position (see below)? Pema> Pema> (defun test-v-m (&optional buf) Pema> (let* ((buf (or buf (current-buffer))) Pema> (win (get-buffer-window buf t))) Pema> (save-excursion Pema> (set-buffer buf) Pema> (goto-char (point-min)) Pema> (princ (point)) Pema> (princ " ") Pema> (vertical-motion 1 win) Pema> (point)))) ^^^^^^^ try: (window-point win) you may also want set-window-point above greg Pema> Pema> ; Run in *scratch* Pema> (test-v-m) Pema> -> 1 28 Pema> Pema> (test-v-m (get-buffer "*mail to xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org*")) Pema> -> 1 1 Pema> Pema> 20.4 gives different results for the second test... Pema> Pema> -- Pema> Pekka Marjola * pema(a)iki.fi * http://www.iki.fi/pema/ * PGPid 0x2865206D Pema>