Ben> the term "mule" is less and less appropriate to anything Ben> we're doing. I think that once we switch to Unicode Ben> internal, we should switch to speaking of "international" or Ben> some other new stuff and let "Mule" refer to the old Ben> implementation of internationalization. FSF's multilingual Ben> support is not called "Mule", either. Please, no global substitution jihads. Note that we *don't have* internationalization as people commonly think of it. Many of our apps don't work properly in locales other than C (specifically dired sucks badly here, but there are other random problems I've observed), and we don't have translated messages. Until something is done about those two fact, calling it "Mule" (as in "stubborn as a ~") seems entirely appropriate to me. ;-) It _is_ a good idea to s/mule/unicode/ where that makes sense (eg, in text.*), and other places as we refactor them. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.