We'd best move this to xemacs-beta before the wrath of the xemacs-patches gods falls upon us. wmperry(a)gnu.org (William M. Perry), on Sat, 09 Mar 2002 at 18:38:50 -0500 you wrote: Well, this is the right thing to do on systems with reference counting. It sounds like we need to special case HP/UX in sysdll.c, then. I don't have an HP/UX machine handy, unfortunately; I can attempt to come up with a patch, but somebody else will have to test it for me. I wonder if there is a way for configure to test for such behavior, just in case there are other systems that act like that? -- Jerry James