JV> I guess I sure wouldn't veto a patch that unpackaged a copy of EFS JV> and/or xemacs-base at "make install" provided they can be upgraded as JV> normal packages. (The better solution would be to have XEmacs talk JV> http to bootstrap). Jeff> re: the http bootstrap, don't forget there are still some of us poor Jeff> suckers that work at places with no internet connection whatsoever. Jeff> and, if you do have xemacs speak http at that point, aren't you going Jeff> to be requiring it to have xemacs-base, and chunks of w3 installed? How about something which just recognizes (or can be told) local locations for xemacs-base and efs and auto-installs them? -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla