please always post c and lisp backtraces along with crash reports. "known crashes" are that common because the developers usually fix the ones they encounter. thanks, ben Nils Bokermann wrote: -- Ben In order to save my hands, I am cutting back on my mail. I also write as succinctly as possible -- please don't be offended. If you send me mail, you _will_ get a response, but please be patient, especially for XEmacs-related mail. If you need an immediate response and it is not apparent in your message, please say so. Thanks for your understanding. See also http://www.666.com/ben/chronic-pain/