sb> Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp&gt; writes in sb> xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: sb> Because they are completely independent of XEmacs version and sb> I want the same Sumo to be usable with both 21.2 and 21.1 (and sb> InfoDock, for that matter). Understood. Taking that logic a little farther, though, the SUMO fractures into packages again, as all of _them_ are independent of each other. SUMO is a convenience; if those who find it convenient want it packaged with their source, so what? sb> That's reflecting a problem in how I build Sumos. I have sb> intended to keep Lisp packages more frequently updated, but sb> the expense of making new Sumos at the same time has been sb> overwhelming. Is it really worth keeping SUMOs up-to-date? If not, why not have a release schedule for SUMOs, once a month, say? And rebuild KONNISHIKI (the SUMO-plus package which also contains the kitchen current stable source release) at the same time? sb> There currently isn't any way to build XEmacs completely from sb> scratch, even for me. The Sumos aren't intended to support sb> being bytecompiled. I still don't see what the harm would be in having a single tarball (called whatever) containing both the source and a SUMO hierarchy as it would be installed. It should be trivial to build (if I'm wrong, I take that back). Link the SUMO hierarchy to some suitably named subdirectory mentioned nowhere in any makefile except under the install target in the top Makefile. No? We don't have a "bytecompile-packages" target in the source now; you'd have to work at screwing things up, a lot harder than the (tar xvzf ...; ./configure; make; make install) process some folks want. I have every reason to understand (and I agree with) your other goals; but what's wrong with catering to people who have enough disk space that they'd rather waste a few dozen MB rather than tell their fingers NOT to go "(tar xvzf ...; ./configure; make; make install)"? -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."