At 02:45 AM 5/29/98 -0700, Ben Wing wrote: Follow-up question. I still think 3d-objectwidthgoodnessknows face should be used for this. This uses specifiers indirectly and is a nice way of grouping important sets of specifiers together. Given that ben has said that 3d-object face should apply to all 3d objects I take it he doesn't disagree. So how should the specifier stuff look for xpm-color-symbols? I currently have: (setq xpm-color-symbols (list (purecopy '("foreground" (face-foreground 'default))) (purecopy '("background" (face-background 'default))) (purecopy '("backgroundToolBarColor" (or (and (featurep 'x) (x-get-resource "backgroundToolBarColor" "BackgroundToolBarColor" 'string)) (face-background 'widget) "Gray80"))) (purecopy '("foregroundToolBarColor" (or (and (featurep 'x) (x-get-resource "foregroundToolBarColor" "ForegroundToolBarColor" 'string)) (face-foreground 'widget) "Black"))) ))) andy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp