malcolm> The crucial section is the "To get out of XEmacs" bit. I malcolm> know we don't ever want anyone to exit XEmacs, but a new user malcolm> faced with that is going to be mighty confused. What is malcolm> "Type M-x save-buffers-kill-emacs" when it's at home? We malcolm> explain the meaning of C-, but not of M-x. I think it should malcolm> read as follows: Oh, story time! A thousand years ago, I was upgrading emacs on a system where you couldn't remove a binary that was "busy". So, I renamed the old executable to "junk", figuring I would remove it the next day and if I forgot someone else would eventually see it and the name would make them not be too worried about just getting rid of it. (It was a big piece of disk space in those days.) I got a frantic visit from another developer who had found himself in emacs through unknown means (to him) and he had no idea how to get out. (This was pre-GUI days, and C-x C-c is only intuitive to long term emacs users who have had their neurons regrafted.) That developer had done two different dumb things. (1) He called his little throwaway test programs, in his own directory, "junk". (2) He relied on having "." on the end of his path to run his "junk" from the shell, instead of doing "./junk". You'd think he would thank me for helping him stop doing those two dumb things, but instead all he did was tell me that emacs was dumb because he couldn't figure out how to exit from it. Oh well. ^[:q :q :q! ^[^[^[^[q! -- bill(a)carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) PGP bill(a)bubblegum.net 0x91865119 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25 73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3