I'm in favor of new icons, and am willing to help. and have been working on some icons for myself for a while now, though understanding glyphs is taking me a while to accomplish, and the time it takes to make icons all from scratch. From scratch, because I see millions of icons in the internet with unknown licenses, and am cautious of stepping on somebody's toes by giving them out with XEmacs. I find I have never used some of the icons that are on the iconbar now, and wish there were icons for additional (different) tasks from the current set. 2 questions, 2 comments: 1. What do people want to do with icons? personally I use the one-button-click save as I save pretty frequently. What do other people actually want to use their iconbar for? 2. what icons should be included in a "complete set" of icons that we are talking about making here? 3. Also, I wonder if we did do some new icons if that would be enough. Wouldn't we also want to do some other components on the screen, like the iconbar background, and then make the menubar background to match it, then there are the gutters with the scroll bars, surely they should match the menubar too. Where do you stop? Do you implement full theming? All the sudden this looks like it would grow into a full facelift and take a large amount of all of our time. 4. If we do make a set (or several) of icons and update the screen's looks, it would be nice to make a lisp file to automatically change all the icons to a new set, and a lisp file to change all the icons back to the defaults, in case they get messed up by user modifications along the way. Steve Mitchell _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta