12:09 p.m.
Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster(a)Corp.Sun.COM> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org:
This talk of only supporting linux disturbs me deeply. I cannot
possibly
believe that anyone is seriously considering this?
I'm not seriously considering this. End of discussion. Except, see
below ...
I was pointing out an observation based on what (flawed?) statistical
data I had and my belief that usage of Unix systems will (continue to)
tend towards Free variants. Nothing more, nothing less.
O.K. We are having serious problems keeping XEmacs properly
implemented on Unix. No, `serious' doesn't begin to describe the
situation. We do not build on latest AIX. You, you and you go fix
it. The problem, of course, is that other than Michael Sperber we
don't appear to have anyone support AIX.
Let's move on to DG/UX and ... forget DG/UX because noone has ever
turned in a build report for that system in my tenure as XEmacs
maintainer. When I tried configuring on such a system it bombed
miserably.
O.K. Let's move on to SGI/Irix. Are we passed the traditional XEmacs
Fuckage or aren't we? I don't know. Darren Stalder was kindly enough
to donate access to a system to test on and ... I never heard heard
anything since from the SGI volunteer.
O.K. So let's try Solaris. It's the most popular commercial Unix in
the market, surely it is getting developer support? *Wrong*! We
continue to get crash reports with annotations tickled by the EOS
support. There have been hundreds if not thousands of these reports
since they've been aimed at me. Is there any developer running with
Sun Solaris? Hello?
DEC OSF/1 on Alpha has had a long history of breakage with noone
working on it. The amount of people working on it has decreased since
I became maintainer.
If you're concerned that your company's hardware supports XEmacs, send
me equipment to test it on. OMRON sent me Wnn6 for testing purposes,
and thus XEmacs will *always* support it. (I'm linking their ancient
static library against glibc-2.0.7-pre5 with the latest and greatest? Linux
2.1 kernel and it *still* works. The Wnn6 server is the only libc5
binary I usually have running).
That is my world view, and that is why I consider commercial Unix support
falling apart at the seams. If *you* don't like it, do something about
it or send me equipment and software with appropriate licenses and I can
take a look at it. Don't just complain about it. It doesn't do
anyone any good.
3:19 p.m.
New subject: Portability and usage statistics (was Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() )
On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 04:09:52AM -0700, SL Baur wrote:
O.K. Let's move on to SGI/Irix. Are we passed the traditional
XEmacs
Fuckage or aren't we? I don't know. Darren Stalder was kindly enough
to donate access to a system to test on and ... I never heard heard
anything since from the SGI volunteer.
About irix:
- irix 6.2, 6.4, 6.5, 6.5SE, 6.5.1 : XEmacs compiles out of box with
all the compilers I could put my hands on in any compilation mode
(32 ou 64 bits).
- irix 6.3 : various reports, nothing clear, most fuckage seemed to
happen because of SGI's graphic libraries and it should be gone now.
- irix 5.3 : Darren Stalder talked about giving access (I was said
volunteer) but dissepeared just after his mail. I have one or two
ideas about what the problem is, but it seems to be impossible to
reproduce it on 6.x. I plan to go and try doing something about it
in a week or two.
Sidenote: 90% of the irix problems I saw were due to the undumping
process. The remaining 10% where non-64bits clean code. The
undumping is going to go, and the 64bitedness problems seems to be
fixed.
OG.
3:47 p.m.
New subject: Portability and usage statistics (was Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() )
>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org>
writes:
sb> Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster(a)Corp.Sun.COM> writes in
sb> xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org:
> This talk of only supporting linux disturbs me deeply. I
> cannot possibly believe that anyone is seriously considering
> this?
sb> I'm not seriously considering this. End of discussion.
sb> Except, see below ...
sb> Let's move on to DG/UX and ... forget DG/UX because noone has
sb> ever turned in a build report for that system in my tenure as
sb> XEmacs maintainer. When I tried configuring on such a system
sb> it bombed miserably.
I've also attempted to build on DG/UX. It appears the dumping is
not successful. On the other hand, since DG does not take their
workstations very seriously, it is hard to get excited about it.
sb> O.K. So let's try Solaris. It's the most popular commercial
sb> Unix in the market, surely it is getting developer support?
sb> *Wrong*! We continue to get crash reports with annotations
sb> tickled by the EOS support. There have been hundreds if not
sb> thousands of these reports since they've been aimed at me. Is
sb> there any developer running with Sun Solaris? Hello?
This is being written on a Solaris system with the latest 21.0. But
we use little of the Sun development environment so this is built
with GCC. I doubt that anyone here could meaningfully test EOS
support. Xemacs is used heavily here running under Solaris and CDE
david
5:27 p.m.
New subject: Portability and usage statistics (was Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() )
On Tue, Sep 01, 1998 at 04:09:52AM -0700, SL Baur wrote:
O.K. So let's try Solaris. It's the most popular commercial
Unix in
the market, surely it is getting developer support? *Wrong*! We
continue to get crash reports with annotations tickled by the EOS
support. There have been hundreds if not thousands of these reports
since they've been aimed at me. Is there any developer running with
Sun Solaris? Hello?
*Looking at the ultra in front of him* Hrrrm, what is EOS? What are
annotations, too?
OG.
12:44 p.m.
New subject: Portability and usage statistics (was Re: Seppuku and x_IO_error_handler() )
SL Baur writes:
[...]
|
You forgot to mention HP-UX.
| That is my world view, and that is why I consider commercial Unix support
| falling apart at the seams. If *you* don't like it, do something about
| it or send me equipment and software with appropriate licenses and I can
| take a look at it. Don't just complain about it. It doesn't do
| anyone any good.
Just for the my record, are there any open problems with HP platforms?
--Marcus
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