Vin> Adrian, I would like to resolve this for 21.1.5, which I Vin> would like to release this weekend. Hello Vin, hello Jan, sorry for not getting back earlier. I have been experimenting. The original bug where loading sample.emacs did break (custom-set-faces '(font-lock-comment-face ((t (:foreground "forest green" :bold t)))) '(font-lock-doc-string-face ((t (:foreground "brown" :bold nil))))) is gone in both versions. I suggest the patch should NOT be applied to 21.1.4. Neither in 21.1.4 -vanilla nor in 21.2-b19 -vanilla can I change the `default' face to bold via M-x customize-face RET default RET without first setting Font Family. After setting Font Family: Courier New this works fine in both XEmacsen. Adrian Jan> If it is what I think it (the frob-face-property patch) then at the Jan> very least it must be combined with the fix for it that I just applied Jan> for cvs. Vin, I think it would be better to identify patches by their URL as found in http://www.xemacs.org/list-archives/xemacs-patches/ Vin> Yes, that was the patch in question. Jan> Adrian: Jan> 1. Were you implying that with the new frob-face-property Jan> 21.1.x works better. If so 2. Does the NT version of the I don't think so any longer. Jan> -vanilla default face contain specifier specs that are device Jan> specific and/or have tags? (emacs-version) "XEmacs 21.1 (patch 4) \"Arches\" [Lucid] (i386-pc-win32) of Fri Aug 13 1999 on ZJ75T" (face-font 'default) #<font-specifier global=<unspecified> fallback=(((mswindows) . "Courier New:Regular:10::Western") ((mswindows) . "Courier:Regular:10::Western") ((mswindows) . "Fixedsys:Regular:9::Western")) 0x193> (emacs-version) "XEmacs 21.2 (beta19) \"Shinjuku\" [Lucid] (i586-pc-win32) of Fri Aug 13 1999 on ZJ75T" (face-font 'default) #<font-specifier global=<unspecified> fallback=(((mswindows) . "Courier New:Regular:10::Western") ((mswindows) . "Courier:Regular:10::Western") ((mswindows) . "Fixedsys:Regular:9::Western")) 0x1c0> Vin> -vin