Well, I think they're real purdy. :-)

>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)iskon.hr&gt; writes:

> ============== SHEER UGLINESS ==============

>>>> "smikes" == Samuel Mikes <smikes(a)alumni.hmc.edu&gt; writes:

>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com&gt; writes:

> localized menubars. There really should be some way for those > who want to keep an old organization to do so, rather than > having this kind of wholesale change enforced on them (at a > potentially severe cost in usability).

>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)iskon.hr&gt; writes: Hrvoje> Giacomo Boffi <giacomo.boffi(a)polimi.it&gt; writes: >> ============== SHEER UGLINESS ============== Hrvoje> Well, I think they're real purdy. :-) You obviously haven't tried this with a localized menubar. Until somebody translates (and accelerates) the menubar, you're going to have this kind of mottled effect with randomly scattered underlines. Has anybody thought about how to make accelerators "purdy" in Japanese and Chinese? On second thought, how they are supposed to work at all? For the implementor's information, Japanese accelerators under Windows are indicated by an underlined Roman capital letter, following the English Windows usage and making no attempt to correlate with the Japanese pronunciation, in parens following the Japanese menu item. This is going to be very space-intensive on the menubar. And it would be nice if we had a function to ensure cross-language consistency. (Or maybe not; do Spaniards who've caught a Windose see accelerators matching the Español, or imports from the Inglés, on screen?) Would it be possible to have accelerators that only show up when the Menu key (whatever it is) is pressed? Is there a face for accelerators, or is the underline thing hardwired? Oh yeah, the accelerators for _M_ule and C_m_ds are the same. This kind of collision is going to be hard to avoid with the relatively dynamic XEmacs menubar. By the way, Ben's improvements have made a bunch of work for menubar localizers (who already have localized menus to work with---obviously it doesn't matter for those who will be starting fresh). Not to mention making finding menu items whose translations haven't changed a process of trial and error for those non-English speakers who do have localized menubars. There really should be some way for those who want to keep an old organization to do so, rather than having this kind of wholesale change enforced on them (at a potentially severe cost in usability). -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."