dv> Stephen J Turnbull writes: Stephen> However what could be done easily enough (I think) is to Stephen> create a Custom "Variables That There Is No Consensus Stephen> Default For" group. dv> I'm not sure I understand you well there, but it seems dv> that what you mean is something like what gnus does for some dv> hooks (like gnus-group-mode-hook where you have a predefined dv> toggle for gnus-topic-mode) ? I'm not familiar with that feature but it sounds right. dv> I don't think that's quite the point however, because dv> if you do this, there's still going to be a war on the dv> question of knowing whether, say, the .idx toggle should be on dv> or off by default. IMHO, adding a predefined toggle for it dv> might be a convenience, but that's all. True. There are an awful lot of variables out there, but what I'm hoping is that (for a while, at least) most people will concede that for secondary controversies like this one, the best response is to add it to the "all-the-possible-defaults-suck-for-someone" group, and leave the default alone (or at best imperfect). Eventually the list will get too long, probably quickly, but then we can reorganize it. It will never work for delete-key-deletes-forward and the like, of course, but it could reduce the number of such controversies if there was a single place you could go to find all the UI flamewars, and set them to your liking. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."