Re: shell unmaintainable
Taken out of order.
>>>> "Ilya" == Ilya N Golubev
<gin(a)mo.msk.ru> writes:
Ilya> Jerry James <Jerry.James(a)usu.edu> writes:
> (2) anybody who needs to compile their own due to maintaining
> local variations should be sophisticated enough to deal with a
> change in find-file-hooks.
Ilya> Disagree.
I have a lot of sympathy for this. I prefer that use of hooks be
reserved to the user (and packages the user explicitly `require's or
`load's). IMHO, using them to implement standard features sucks. If
this is really necessary, then I would suggest putting it in the
function itself, perhaps with a defcustom enabler.
However, using the hook to *experiment* with the feature is a
reasonable strategy.
> Can't you just stick with the officially released packages?
Ilya> No.
Then you should fork. Pick a reasonably fresh version, get it working
for you, put it in site-packages (which takes precedence over the
other hierarchies for precisely this purpose), and update when you
feel like dealing with the instability.
The CVS trunk is for development, instability is a fact of life there.
> As for the byte compiling issue, (require 'auto-autoloads)
is
> not the right thing to do, because there are lots of
> auto-autoloads.el files, one per package in fact.
Ilya> Right. Is not core `lisp' directory first in `load-path'
Ilya> when `-no-autoloads -vanilla' are specified, when compiling
Ilya> packages in batch mode?
You presumably mean `-no-packages'. `-no-autoloads' sets up the
paths, but then skips loading of the autoloads. `-no-packages' is not
available in 21.4.
Ilya> If can rely on that, still can do so. Will load right
Ilya> `auto-autoloads.el' in batch mode and have it already loaded
Ilya> in regular interactive one.
Sorry, that's not going to be supported. For one, it will probably
produce spurious warnings because of the way the auto-autoloads
features are provided. We do not know what users will have in their
load-path---there may be unloaded auto-autoloads in directories
cons'ed on to the front!---and there's no guarantee that the file will
be loaded when -no-packages (-vanilla is implied, because most init
files depend on packages) is in effect.
Use `xemacs -no-packages -batch -l auto-autoloads' with 21.5. Just
lose with 21.4; I don't know of a way to implement what you want in
21.4 off-hand, although it should be possible by doing surgery on
`load-path' before loading auto-autoloads.
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