Re: [haskell-mode] Work around coding cookie breakage

David Kastrup writes: Interesting POV, although Erik Naggum has never once posted to our channels that I know of. ;-) Jokes aside, I never saw evidence of that. We had a lot of USians arguing against early removal of the no-Mule option, but most of them were dyed-in-the-wool Lucid users, not reactionary ex-GNU Emacs users. The big influx of developers/testers to XEmacs came before Emacs got Mule. They were generally coming *for* Mule, or for the open development model. They weren't coming to escape Mule. And the to-XEmacs flow slowed as soon as Emacs 20 was released and the developers' lists were opened, and maybe reversed as Mule stabilized around 20.3 (at the very least we lost most of our Japanese developers and never did get any Chinese or Korean developers, and of course the Indic languages didn't have an option at XEmacs since we couldn't even display them). Of course we could both be right: people who were vocally against Mule at Emacs switched to XEmacs (or vi?) and shut up. They weren't posting to our channels that I can recall, though. *chuckle* You overestimate the difficulty of the problem. And you underestimate Ben Wing. But the point is moot; I really don't think Mule is going to drive adoption decisions. It's going to be Unicode support, and the question is whether Mule gets in the way of Unicode or not. Handa's record on that is two decades of foot-dragging. Is emacs-unicode2 a genuine change of heart? We'll see. I have to wonder though. What Emacsen need for real Unicode support far more than Unicode-in-the-buffer is bidi-in-the-display, and I never saw any interest in that at all at the Mule Lab. At the XEmacs/Mule conference in 1998 or so, Eli Zaretskii and several other bidi proponents were invited. Those invitations went out about ten years ago, but there's still no bidi support in any Emacs. All of this is more relevant to Emacs than to XEmacs, though. Unless Ben Wing decides to start massive contribution again, we don't have anybody we can count on for the code we need for bidi and Indic support, and without Ben we can't easily borrow it from GNU either because the Mule implementations are very divergent now. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta