Re: M-up and M-down changed?

Ben> yes it was me, and i'm sorry i didn't make this clearer ... Ben> swamped by the huge changelog, i guess :) "That's a funny-once, Man." Ben> Comments? I realize now that I definitely should have Ben> discussed this more before going ahead and making the Ben> changes, but it seemed to me that nobody cared much about the Ben> arrow keys, given the sorry state (from my obviously biased Ben> perspective) they were in. Any suggestions or alternative Ben> proposals are completely welcome. Old keybindings, especially the ones you don't like, should be treated like an armed land mine. This is true for all UI elements. Ben, there are people in Japan who memorize nearly 4000 two-keystroke bindings (ask about "T-code" when you get here; some random person around the conference will be able to give you a demonstration) for efficient input of kanji. People can and do remember the most bizarre unmnemonic sequences rather than learn how to customize their environment. You'd think that wouldn't apply to long-time XEmacs users, but.... Touch them at your peril.[1] A Customize that works[2] and supports themes[3] would go a long way to reaching the Promised Land. If I can basically get the same old inefficient incoherent not-like-anything-else pinky-building keybindings I've always had with a `(custom-set-theme 'classic-emacs)'[4] at the top of ~/.emacs, then as far as I'm concerned you can play with the defaults all you like (well, I advise you not to do it too much, you'll interfere with your goal of increasing the user base). Footnotes: [1] By the way, I'm a "no butt-ugly menu accelerators (and they're all butt-ugly), please" crank, too. Bet you're not surprised. [2] Outside of ISO-8859-land. [3] Which means making creation and editing of themes as easy as `M-x theme-save'. [4] Actually, themes ought to have categories, like keymap, mouse, menu, toolbar, faces. So you should be able to select the classic-emacs keymap with ms-windows menu, etc. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."