9:31 a.m.
Ar an ceathrú lá de mí na Nollaig, scríobh Michael Sperber:
> 2006-12-03 Aidan Kehoe <kehoea(a)parhasard.net>
>
> * loadup.el:
> * loadup.el (running-from-build-directory-p): New.
> * startup.el (startup-setup-paths):
> Never use the installed files if we're running from under the
> build directory. Prevents conflicts with them.
More hackery downstream from the path-searching library is likely to
cause problems. The problem with changes like this is that some
people *need* the behavior that appears causing trouble here.
Aidan, could you forward to me the build-report e-mail this is a
response to? I'll have a look at it.
I’m not subscribed, but the message is available under:
http://mid.gmane.org/m3r6vq7o9t.fsf＠iny.iki.fi
Who needs the behaviour, specifically, of preferring installed (non-package)
files to those in the source tree when running in the source tree and when
the installed files are available? Why are they relying on
startup-setup-paths to do this?
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10:30 a.m.
New subject: [V] Don't use installed non-package Lisp when running from the source tree.
Aidan Kehoe <kehoea(a)parhasard.net> writes:
Who needs the behaviour, specifically, of preferring installed
(non-package)
files to those in the source tree when running in the source tree and when
the installed files are available? Why are they relying on
startup-setup-paths to do this?
I've lost track over the years of who wants what behavior. What I do
know is that almost any change (specifically this one) in this area
will break somebody's setup.
Anyway, the bug report actually seems related to the switch to
autoconf 2.6 rather than the search algorithm per se. I have a fix
for it that needs polishing; I'll try to do that tomorrow.
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10:56 a.m.
New subject: [V] Don't use installed non-package Lisp when running from the source tree.
Ar an ceathrú lá de mí na Nollaig, scríobh Michael Sperber:
> Who needs the behaviour, specifically, of preferring installed
> (non-package) files to those in the source tree when running in the
> source tree and when the installed files are available? Why are they
> relying on startup-setup-paths to do this?
I've lost track over the years of who wants what behavior. What I do
know is that almost any change (specifically this one) in this area
will break somebody's setup.
I’m sorry, but that’s not a reasonable ground for a veto. It’s possible to
say ‘almost any change will break somebody’s setup’ in objection to any
patch that changes functionality. It’s the details of what will break and
the trade-off of that breakage versus the improvement that the patch will
hopefully bring, that make such an objection worth considering or not.
Anyway, the bug report actually seems related to the switch to
autoconf 2.6 rather than the search algorithm per se. I have a fix
for it that needs polishing; I'll try to do that tomorrow.
Well, okay. I’ll test that change.
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12:09 p.m.
New subject: [V] Don't use installed non-package Lisp when running from the source tree.
>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Kehoe
<kehoea(a)parhasard.net> writes:
Aidan> Who needs the behaviour, specifically, of preferring installed
Aidan> (non-package) files to those in the source tree when running in the
Aidan> source tree and when the installed files are available?
I think that Michael might have been thinking of my bug report, which you can
find at: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta/17652/focus=17652
What I really want is that if I have a working XEmacs already installed under
$PREFIX, then from the top of a freshly checked out tree if I run the
following sequence:
$ ./configure --prefix=$PREFIX
$ make
$ ./src/xemacs -vanilla
Then I should have a fully functional program, that gets packages out of
$PREFIX if it can't find them in the source tree.
I'm not particularly tied to the implementation so if there is a better way of
doing it then it's fine by me. I do, however, want to avoid any additional
manual steps.
Malcolm
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12:51 p.m.
New subject: [V] Don't use installed non-package Lisp when running from the source tree.
Ar an ceathrú lá de mí na Nollaig, scríobh Malcolm Purvis:
Aidan> Who needs the behaviour, specifically, of preferring
installed
Aidan> (non-package) files to those in the source tree when running in the
Aidan> source tree and when the installed files are available?
I think that Michael might have been thinking of my bug report, which you can
find at: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta/17652/focus=17652
Thanks for the pointer. The thread is not immediately relevant to my change,
which doesn’t affect package behaviour.
Michael, do you have a directory /usr/local/share/xemacs-21.5-b27/lisp on
your machine? All I need is for that directory to exist to have an XEmacs
running in the directory it was built in to use it as its lisp-directory:
(progn
(shell-command "mkdir /usr/local/share/xemacs-21.5-b27/lisp")
(startup-setup-paths '(early late last) t)
lisp-directory)
=> "/usr/local/share/xemacs-21.5-b27/lisp/"
(progn
(shell-command "rmdir /usr/local/share/xemacs-21.5-b27/lisp")
(startup-setup-paths '(early late last) t)
lisp-directory)
=> "/home/Aidan/xemacs-21.5/lisp/"
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1:05 p.m.
New subject: [V] Don't use installed non-package Lisp when running from the source tree.
Ar an ceathrú lá de mí na Nollaig, scríobh Aidan Kehoe:
Michael, do you have a directory
/usr/local/share/xemacs-21.5-b27/lisp on
your machine? All I need is for that directory to exist to have an XEmacs
running in the directory it was built in to use it as its lisp-directory:
Here’s the rest of the information on that install:
System Info to help track down your bug:
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uname -a: CYGWIN_NT-5.1 eco 1.5.22(0.156/4/2) 2006-11-13 17:01 i686 Cygwin
./configure 'LDFLAGS=-lintl'
XEmacs 21.5-b27 "fiddleheads" (+CVS-20061203) configured for
`i686-pc-cygwin'.
Compilation Environment and Installation Defaults:
Source code location: /home/Aidan/xemacs-21.5
Installation prefix: /usr/local
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Machine description file: `m/intel386.h'
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- GCC specs file: /bin/../lib/gcc/i686-pc-cygwin/3.4.4/specs
- Compiler command: gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wundef -Wsign-compare
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libc version:
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GNU version of malloc: yes
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Compiling in support for Motif.
- Using LessTif implementation.
*WARNING* Many versions of Motif are buggy, requiring workarounds.
You are likely to experience slow redisplay.
You may need to install vendor patches to Motif.
See PROBLEMS for more information.
Using Lucid menubars.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Motif dialog boxes.
Using Motif native widgets.
Compiling in support for Drag'n'Drop (EXPERIMENTAL).
- Drag'n'Drop prototype: msw.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Images:
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Compiling in support for X-Face message headers.
Sound:
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Using the new portable dumper.
Dumping into executable.
Compiling in support for extra debugging code.
Compiling in support for runtime error checking.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result.
WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases.
WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------
Load-Path Lisp Shadows:
----------------------
(/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/regexp-opt
/home/Aidan/xemacs-21.5/lisp/regexp-opt
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/easy-mmode
/home/Aidan/xemacs-21.5/lisp/easy-mmode
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