11:21 p.m.
PATCH 21.5
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
<mailer-daemon(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.
Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org
Message will be retried for 1 more day(s)
Technical details of temporary failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient
domain xemacs.org by mail.xemacs.org. [207.172.156.133].
The error that the other server returned was:
451 4.7.1 Greylisting in action, please come back later
Experience shows that once this starts, it doesn't stop. My message
will be returned to me tomorrow marked undeliverable, i guarantee it.
Well, first, here is what I originally said about this patch:
This patch (attached) adds 3 files for use by distribution packagers,
namely:
- xemacs.appdata.xml: provides AppData metadata [1]
- xemacs.desktop: provides desktop metadata [2]
- xemacs-icon.svg: scalable version of one of our icons
This change doesn't require any build system work. These files are
simply dumped into etc for use by interested distribution packagers.
Everyone else can ignore them.
Footnotes:
[1] http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/
[2] http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
Since I apparently can't send these files as email attachments, I have
instead put them on a web server I happen to have access to. They
will only be there temporarily, until this patch is accepted or
rejected. Get the files here:
http://xemacs.jamezone.org/xemacs.appdata.xml
http://xemacs.jamezone.org/xemacs.desktop
http://xemacs.jamezone.org/xemacs-icon.svg
The idea is to drop all 3 of them into etc.
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7:33 a.m.
Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
I'm sure it's fine, but I get (on this file only):
403 Permission Denied
You do not have permission for this request /xemacs-icon.svg
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1:18 a.m.
Jerry James writes:
> The error that the other server returned was:
> 451 4.7.1 Greylisting in action, please come back later
Experience shows that once this starts, it doesn't stop.
Technical aside: That's because Google is already backed off to more
than 24 hours between retries, and the greylisting whitelist expires
at 24 hours. I don't understand why that happens so quickly, though.
Normally an MTA will back off 4, 8, 12, 24, 24 hours for a total of 6
tries -- it should easily get through on the first retry, and you get
a second shot on the second retry. Maybe it's because Google has
multiple MTA IP addresses (that's how most greylists identify the
sender system)?
Since I apparently can't send these files as email attachments,
The error above has nothing to do with attachments. It has to do with
the fact that you haven't sent us mail from that MTA IP address for
more than 24 hours. Obviously you can't control the IP address, so
the only solution is to get off Tux.
I hope that I'm now going to have more time to work on our
infrastructure. My masters students just handed in their last drafts,
so they'll be making a lot fewer demands on my time. Maybe. (I've
always wondered why advisors aren't allowed to just write the damn
theses for them -- it would take so much less time and effort -- and
this year I've thought that more often than in the last 25 years
combined:-( .)
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11:38 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Michael Sperber
<sperber(a)deinprogramm.de> wrote:
Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> http://xemacs.jamezone.org/xemacs-icon.svg
I'm sure it's fine, but I get (on this file only):
403 Permission Denied
You do not have permission for this request /xemacs-icon.svg
I probably ought to give you permission to view the file, then, huh?
Fixed. Sorry about that.
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11:40 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
Technical aside: That's because Google is already backed off to
more
than 24 hours between retries, and the greylisting whitelist expires
at 24 hours. I don't understand why that happens so quickly, though.
Normally an MTA will back off 4, 8, 12, 24, 24 hours for a total of 6
tries -- it should easily get through on the first retry, and you get
a second shot on the second retry. Maybe it's because Google has
multiple MTA IP addresses (that's how most greylists identify the
sender system)?
Ah. Thanks for the explanation. I have no idea how Google handles
the backoffs.
I hope that I'm now going to have more time to work on our
infrastructure. My masters students just handed in their last drafts,
so they'll be making a lot fewer demands on my time. Maybe. (I've
always wondered why advisors aren't allowed to just write the damn
theses for them -- it would take so much less time and effort -- and
this year I've thought that more often than in the last 25 years
combined :-( .)
Ha! I'd like to see you suggest that in some university committee. :-)
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7:51 a.m.
>>>> Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
I've always wondered why advisors aren't allowed to just
write the
damn theses for them
I thought they downloaded them from the net these days. Can't you just
advice them to pick the final version from the start ;-)
Yours
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8:26 a.m.
Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Michael Sperber
<sperber(a)deinprogramm.de> wrote:
> Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>
>> http://xemacs.jamezone.org/xemacs-icon.svg
>
> I'm sure it's fine, but I get (on this file only):
>
> 403 Permission Denied
> You do not have permission for this request /xemacs-icon.svg
I probably ought to give you permission to view the file, then, huh?
Fixed. Sorry about that.
Looks good, thanks!
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