Hi there, finally got DSL back, so it doesn't take me an hour to cvs up xemacs:) I had a hard time fixing conflicts resulting from Ben's big commit, but now it's back in shape. I'm still working on the BeOS port and gui, I started implementing scrollbars, though I keep them disabled atm because they seem to flood the message loop (redraw tweaks them, they send a message, which causes a redraw...). I was wondering what to do on the menubar stuff though, for ex the msw code only builds submenus when they are opened. Here it would be probably simpler to build them all at once, and update them on change. Is it doable or do all backends do the same as msw ? Anyway I can use gnus just fine for usenet :) http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/shot_xemacs_native_gnus.png I see there is some talk around about UTF-8, that's good :) I've published a binary of chayote some time ago on bebits, I didn't think I'd get that many downloads (though they count also that of an old tty only build) http://www.bebits.com/app/3000 François.