10:33 a.m.
>>>> "Michael" == Michael Diers
<consultant.michael.diers(a)bln1.siemens.de> writes:
Michael> Hello,
Michael> I'd be very interested in packaging and maintaining
Michael> clearcase.el for XEmacs.
Michael> XEmacs currently has vc-cc packaged; I believe that
Michael> clearcase.el is a superior implementation to vc-cc and
Michael> that it should eventually supplant vc-cc in the XEmacs
Michael> package collection.
Michael> Do you know of anybody who's already proposed to do this
Michael> and/or is working on it? Are there any objection against
Michael> doing so?
Michael, we face some temporary complications with CVS access at the
moment. Our repository is in flux.
At the same time our XEmacs packages manager, youngs(a)xemacs.org, is
computer-less for a while.
Stephen, could you please check with Steve whether a
packages\xemacs-packages\clearcase
directory would be the right place for this new package.
I think we should avoid confusing names with vc-cc.
I can bootstrap the new package next week.
Michael, after that you could send any patches to
xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org and I would commit them for now.
You could however start immediately to make patches against Kevin's
latest clearcase.el and mark XEmacs changes clearly as such with:
;; XEmacs change: ...
Kevin might be able to accept such patches as long as they don't break
anything and look right.
It should make many people happy to have clearcase.el available as an
XEmacs package.
Let's wait for Kevin's and Stephen's input now.
Best regards,
Adrian
Michael> (I'm copying Adrian and Rod on this, since they are
Michael> mentioned as clearcase.el contributors wrt. XEmacs
Michael> integration.)
Michael> Cheers,
Michael> -Michael
Michael> --
Michael> Michael Diers mailto:mdiers＠elego.de
Michael> Elego GmbH, Cranachstr. 7, D-12057 Berlin http://www.elego.de/
Michael> tel: +49 30 23458696 fax: +49 30 23458695 mobile: +49 177 2345866
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Michael> ICM N IS E 25, BLN S 50 (Geb. 10), Raum D 542
Michael> tel: +49 30 386-26386
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10:40 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner
<adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>>>> "Michael" == Michael Diers
<consultant.michael.diers(a)bln1.siemens.de> writes:
Michael> Hello,
Michael> I'd be very interested in packaging and maintaining
Michael> clearcase.el for XEmacs.
Michael> XEmacs currently has vc-cc packaged; I believe that
Michael> clearcase.el is a superior implementation to vc-cc and
Michael> that it should eventually supplant vc-cc in the XEmacs
Michael> package collection.
Michael> Do you know of anybody who's already proposed to do this
Michael> and/or is working on it? Are there any objection against
Michael> doing so?
APA> Michael, we face some temporary complications with CVS access
APA> at the moment. Our repository is in flux.
APA> At the same time our XEmacs packages manager,
APA> youngs(a)xemacs.org, is computer-less for a while.
APA> Stephen, could you please check with Steve whether a
APA> packages\xemacs-packages\clearcase directory would be the
APA> right place for this new package.
APA> I think we should avoid confusing names with vc-cc.
APA> I can bootstrap the new package next week.
APA> Michael, after that you could send any patches to
APA> xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org and I would commit them for now.
Hello Michael,
are you still interested in maintaining a clearcase package for
XEmacs?
http://www.ultranet.com/~esler/ccase-mode/clearcase.el
which is currently at
(defconst clearcase-version-stamp "ClearCase-version: </main/188>")
works fine for me in (emacs-version)
"XEmacs 21.4 (patch 6) \"Common Lisp (candidate 1)\" [Lucid]
(i586-pc-win32) of Thu Nov 29 2001 on D5DC120J"
which is a native Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
build.
It has my only remaining gripe resolved in that it honors
directory-sep-char now.
Steve, would xemacs-packages/clearcase/ be the right home for this
package?
I guess we should steer clear of vc-cc.el since that package is still
around and even received patches recently.
Steve, I could give it a shot bootstraping this package unless you
want to do it?
See
http://cvs.sunsite.dk/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/vc-cc/?...
Best regards,
Adrian
APA> You could however start immediately to make patches against Kevin's
APA> latest clearcase.el and mark XEmacs changes clearly as such with:
APA> ;; XEmacs change: ...
APA> Kevin might be able to accept such patches as long as they don't break
APA> anything and look right.
APA> It should make many people happy to have clearcase.el available as an
APA> XEmacs package.
APA> Let's wait for Kevin's and Stephen's input now.
APA> Best regards,
APA> Adrian
Michael> (I'm copying Adrian and Rod on this, since they are
Michael> mentioned as clearcase.el contributors wrt. XEmacs
Michael> integration.)
Michael> Cheers,
Michael> -Michael
Michael> --
Michael> Michael Diers mailto:mdiers＠elego.de
Michael> Elego GmbH, Cranachstr. 7, D-12057 Berlin http://www.elego.de/
Michael> tel: +49 30 23458696 fax: +49 30 23458695 mobile: +49 177 2345866
Michael> =================================================================
Michael> mailto:consultant.michael.diers＠bln1.siemens.de
Michael> ICM N IS E 25, BLN S 50 (Geb. 10), Raum D 542
Michael> tel: +49 30 386-26386
APA> --
APA> Adrian Aichner
APA> mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org
APA> http://www.xemacs.org/
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6:11 a.m.
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|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de> writes:
APA> Steve, would xemacs-packages/clearcase/ be the right home for this
APA> package?
Yes.
APA> I guess we should steer clear of vc-cc.el since that package is still
APA> around and even received patches recently.
Yep. The clearcase package doesn't jump on anything in vc-cc does it?
APA> Steve, I could give it a shot bootstraping this package unless you
APA> want to do it?
If you want to have a go at it, Adrian, that's fine by me. Yell if
you need any help.
Some stuff to remember:
./xemacs-packages/clearcase/package-info.in
./xemacs-packages/clearcase/Makefile
./xemacs-packages/Makefile
./package-compile.el
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9:08 a.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> |--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de>
writes:
APA> Steve, would xemacs-packages/clearcase/ be the right home for this
APA> package?
SY> Yes.
APA> I guess we should steer clear of vc-cc.el since that package is still
APA> around and even received patches recently.
SY> Yep. The clearcase package doesn't jump on anything in vc-cc does it?
Hmmh, I'll double-check.
APA> Steve, I could give it a shot bootstraping this package unless you
APA> want to do it?
SY> If you want to have a go at it, Adrian, that's fine by me. Yell if
SY> you need any help.
SY> Some stuff to remember:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/package-info.in
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/Makefile
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
Thanks, I'll give it a shot today.
Adrian
SY> --
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SY> | It's a way of life. |
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1:31 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> |--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de>
writes:
APA> Steve, would xemacs-packages/clearcase/ be the right home for this
APA> package?
SY> Yes.
Good.
APA> I guess we should steer clear of vc-cc.el since that package is still
APA> around and even received patches recently.
SY> Yep. The clearcase package doesn't jump on anything in vc-cc does it?
1.
(defconst clearcase-version-stamp "ClearCase-version: </main/188>")
still uses tq.el, except for clearcase-on-mswindows.
;; NT Emacs - doesn't use tq.
;;
(if (not clearcase-on-mswindows)
(require 'tq))
What about this?
The version of tq.el at
http://www.ultranet.com/~esler/ccase-mode/
is slightly different what the XEmacs package vc-cc has.
We don't want the clearcase package to (require 'vc-cc), do we?
We don't want the clearcase package AND the vc-cc package come with
their own versions of tq, right?
Hmmh, what sheebeedoo?
2.
clearcase.el has these requires:
(require 'cl)
(require 'comint)
(require 'dired)
(require 'easymenu)
(require 'reporter)
(require 'ring)
(or clearcase-xemacs-p
(require 'timer))
<lines deleted by Adrian>
;; NT Emacs - doesn't use tq.
;;
(if (not clearcase-on-mswindows)
(require 'tq))
<lines deleted by Adrian>
(eval-and-compile
(condition-case nil
(require 'custom)
(error nil))
<lines deleted by Adrian>
From that I derive following line for clearcase/Makefile
REQUIRES = dired fsf-compat mail-lib xemacs-base
pending a decision on vc-cc.
3.
clearcase.el has no documentation to go along with it.
Kevin, will you write a clearcase.texi?
I just winged one for now. Kevin, feel free to take any bits and
pieces if you like.
4.
Given this is a brand-new package I would like to send it for review
and comments as a tarball.
Here it is:
Steve, I'll not commit it before I hear from you.
Best regards,
Adrian
APA> Steve, I could give it a shot bootstraping this package unless you
APA> want to do it?
SY> If you want to have a go at it, Adrian, that's fine by me. Yell if
SY> you need any help.
SY> Some stuff to remember:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/package-info.in
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/Makefile
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
I'll send a patch for the last two to xemacs-patches later.
SY> --
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SY> | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. |
SY> | It's a way of life. |
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3:11 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de> writes:
APA> 1.
APA> (defconst clearcase-version-stamp "ClearCase-version:
</main/188>")
APA> still uses tq.el, except for clearcase-on-mswindows.
APA> ;; NT Emacs - doesn't use tq.
APA> ;;
APA> (if (not clearcase-on-mswindows)
APA> (require 'tq))
APA> What about this?
APA> The version of tq.el at
APA> http://www.ultranet.com/~esler/ccase-mode/
APA> is slightly different what the XEmacs package vc-cc has.
What's the difference? Do we need to sync our tq to this one?
APA> We don't want the clearcase package to (require 'vc-cc), do we?
No.
APA> We don't want the clearcase package AND the vc-cc package come with
APA> their own versions of tq, right?
Correct.
APA> Hmmh, what sheebeedoo?
Easy answer: Move tq.el out of vc-cc and into xemacs-base, make vc-cc
and clearcase both require xemacs-base (which they already do).
If we deprecate the vc-cc package sometime in the future, we can then
move tq into the clearcase package.
APA> 2.
APA> clearcase.el has these requires:
[...]
>From that I derive following line for clearcase/Makefile
APA> REQUIRES = dired fsf-compat mail-lib xemacs-base
Looks good.
APA> pending a decision on vc-cc.
See above.
APA> 3.
APA> clearcase.el has no documentation to go along with it.
If I had a dollar for every piece of software that didn't have any
documentation...
APA> Given this is a brand-new package I would like to send it for review
APA> and comments as a tarball.
Adrian, this looks great! My only comment is that the Makefile
doesn't need any mention of "MULE_ELCS".
APA> Steve, I'll not commit it before I hear from you.
Please whack this into CVS at your earliest convenience. :-)
SY> Some stuff to remember:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/package-info.in
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/Makefile
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
APA> I'll send a patch for the last two to xemacs-patches later.
Great!
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10:09 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> If you want to have a go at it, Adrian, that's fine by me.
SY> Yell if you need any help.
SY> Some stuff to remember:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/package-info.in
SY> ./xemacs-packages/clearcase/Makefile
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
I just sent a patch for the last two.
Please let me know whether I got it right.
Best regards,
Adrian
SY> --
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10:32 p.m.
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|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de> writes:
>>>>>"SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
APA> I just sent a patch for the last two.
APA> Please let me know whether I got it right.
You did! :-)
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11:04 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> |--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de>
writes:
>>>>>> "SY" == Steve
Youngs <youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> ./xemacs-packages/Makefile
SY> ./package-compile.el
APA> I just sent a patch for the last two.
APA> Please let me know whether I got it right.
SY> You did! :-)
Thanks!
And Steve, you're not alone.
I'm here, but the CVS move kept me busy.
Thanks for all your other comments on tramp and stuff.
I'll get to these eventually.
Later,
Adrian
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8:50 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Steve Youngs yowled:
Easy answer: Move tq.el out of vc-cc and into xemacs-base, make
vc-cc
and clearcase both require xemacs-base (which they already do).
If we deprecate the vc-cc package sometime in the future, we can then
move tq into the clearcase package.
Looks more like it belongs in net-utils to me, or somewhere like
that. It certainly doesn't belong in a version-control-related package,
IMHO.
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3:06 a.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
|--==> "n" == nix <nix(a)esperi.demon.co.uk> writes:
n> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Steve Youngs yowled:
>Easy answer: Move tq.el out of vc-cc and into xemacs-base, make
vc-cc
>and clearcase both require xemacs-base (which they already do).
>
>If we deprecate the vc-cc package sometime in the future, we can then
>move tq into the clearcase package.
n> Looks more like it belongs in net-utils to me, or somewhere like
n> that. It certainly doesn't belong in a version-control-related package,
n> IMHO.
Maybe so, but there are only 2 packages that need tq.el (vc-cc &
clearcase), they both already require xemacs-base, and they both do
not currently require net-utils. Path of least resistance.
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5:36 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) writes:
are you still interested in maintaining a clearcase package for
XEmacs?
Adrian,
sorry for the delay; yes, absolutely.
http://www.ultranet.com/~esler/ccase-mode/clearcase.el
which is currently at
(defconst clearcase-version-stamp "ClearCase-version: </main/188>")
works fine for me in (emacs-version)
"XEmacs 21.4 (patch 6) \"Common Lisp (candidate 1)\" [Lucid]
(i586-pc-win32) of Thu Nov 29 2001 on D5DC120J"
which is a native Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
build.
Right, I can currently test with XEmacs 21.4.5 on SunOS 5.8 and
CYGWIN_NT-4.0 1.3.6.
It has my only remaining gripe resolved in that it honors
directory-sep-char now.
OK, I'll have a look.
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5:43 p.m.
New subject: Packaging clearcase.el for XEmacs?
>>>> "Michael" == Michael Diers
<consultant.michael.diers(a)bln1.siemens.de> writes:
Michael> Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) writes:
> are you still interested in maintaining a clearcase package for
> XEmacs?
Michael> Adrian,
Michael> sorry for the delay; yes, absolutely.
Hello Michael!
OK, the package is yours.
Let me know when you need my help with anything regarding the
clearcase package in its current state.
Please let's feed back any changes we might make to Kevin Esler
<esler(a)Rational.Com>.
Best regards,
Adrian
> http://www.ultranet.com/~esler/ccase-mode/clearcase.el
> which is currently at
> (defconst clearcase-version-stamp "ClearCase-version: </main/188>")
> works fine for me in (emacs-version)
> "XEmacs 21.4 (patch 6) \"Common Lisp (candidate 1)\" [Lucid]
> (i586-pc-win32) of Thu Nov 29 2001 on D5DC120J"
> which is a native Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
> build.
Michael> Right, I can currently test with XEmacs 21.4.5 on SunOS 5.8 and
Michael> CYGWIN_NT-4.0 1.3.6.
> It has my only remaining gripe resolved in that it honors
> directory-sep-char now.
Michael> OK, I'll have a look.
Michael> --
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Michael> Elego GmbH, Cranachstr. 7, D-12057 Berlin http://www.elego.de/
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