When I use anonymous CVS to try to get the latest packages tree I don't get the iterate-1.rules and meta-targets.rules files: ngst:~/src/xemacs> cvs -z3 -d :pserver:cvs＠cvs.xemacs.org:/pack/xemacscvs co -l packages U packages/ChangeLog U packages/find-macro-err.awk U packages/gen-macro-list.awk U packages/package-clean.el U packages/package-compile.el U packages/package-net-packages.el U packages/hack-package-index.el U packages/XEmacs.rules U packages/iterate.rules U packages/meta-iterate.rules U packages/Local.rules.template U packages/Local.rules.inc U packages/Local.rules.mk U packages/Makefile U packages/INSTALL U packages/NEWS.packages U packages/.cvsignore U packages/xemacs-packages/Makefile U packages/mule-packages/Makefile cvs server: Updating packages/xemacs-packages cvs server: Updating packages/mule-packages I don't understand why not, because they show up in ViewCVS on the web. But it makes it kinda hard to build stuff without these two files. -Jay