Drew Adams writes: That's pretty much what I'm suggesting. An alternative would be a grip that could be dragged until the smaller window disappeared, at which point the modeline itself would go *poof*. Surely you didn't type that with a straight face! Jane Noob is going to have the special meaning of button 3 on the modeline memorized? I don't think so. It's this kind of thing that results in Dired having 4 ways to say "next line" with people suggesting adding another. The point of a GUI is to provide ways to do common operations that are convenient and easily visible on-screen, so you don't have to remember them. Emacsen have introduced some interesting, elegant, and subtle ways to use the UI. What they aren't is obvious or consistent with the GUI gestures users are familiar with from the Mac or Windows. Users (who don't think of Emacs as the obvious way to interact with all their applications) need to be reminded of them. No, I'm serious about this separate from the issue of the splash screen. If we want to encourage new users to learn to use (Emacs) windows, it would be a big help if the GUI provided gestures to operate on them in a mnemonic way. After all, what is an Emacs frame but a tiled window manager? We should present it that way to the user. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://calypso.tux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta