5:39 p.m.
After the discussion here, I think I've decided to move Gnus development
to Emacs and Emacsify the code for greater readability.
If {S,}XEmacs wants to keep tracking Gnus development, this
unfortunately means that the onus is on the {S,}XEmacs maintainers to
add an ever-growing number of Emacs compat functions, and expand
function call lists to keep up with Emacs function call lists.
(As well as adding seq/map/cllib/etc.)
The major stumbling block is, of course, lexical binding, but we'll see
how much of that creeps into Gnus after a while. Gnus is quite async in
some respects, and having proper closures makes that a lot more
readable, but on the other hand, Gnus (ab)uses dynamic scope
extensively, so...
I wrote up the decision here, with added images:
http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/01/01/its-about-ethics-in-gnus-development/
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>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org>:
If {S,}XEmacs wants to keep tracking Gnus development, this
unfortunately means that the onus is on the {S,}XEmacs maintainers to
add an ever-growing number of Emacs compat functions, and expand
function call lists to keep up with Emacs function call lists.
(FWIW this would be much easier for the {S,}XEmacs mainainers, if they
could do this on a separate branch in the Gnus repository. It would be
the same lisp code issues but less git hassle...)
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New subject: Moving Gnus development to Emacs?
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes:
After the discussion here, I think I've decided to move Gnus
development
to Emacs and Emacsify the code for greater readability.
Are you going to keep git.gnus.org live for a period of time after the
move so us slow-coaches can grab the last of the (S)XEmacs capable Gnus?
Also, it'd be very much appreciated if you could let me know when the
last commit goes in at git.gnus.org.
If {S,}XEmacs wants to keep tracking Gnus development, this
unfortunately means that the onus is on the {S,}XEmacs maintainers to
add an ever-growing number of Emacs compat functions, and expand
function call lists to keep up with Emacs function call lists.
(As well as adding seq/map/cllib/etc.)
Yep, working on it. :)
The major stumbling block is, of course, lexical binding, but
we'll see
how much of that creeps into Gnus after a while. Gnus is quite async in
some respects, and having proper closures makes that a lot more
readable, but on the other hand, Gnus (ab)uses dynamic scope
extensively, so...
Gnus is far from unique in that (ab)use, even my own code does it a lot
more than I'd care to admit to. But yeah, lexical scope is well and
truly on the SXEmacs radar. Might have to bump it up a few notches on
the todo list. :-)
I wrote up the decision here, with added images:
It must be true, there's cats and memes involved.
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Steve Youngs <steve(a)sxemacs.org> writes:
Are you going to keep git.gnus.org live for a period of time after
the
move so us slow-coaches can grab the last of the (S)XEmacs capable Gnus?
Sure. There's probably some way to switch it to read-only, I guess?
Also, it'd be very much appreciated if you could let me know when
the
last commit goes in at git.gnus.org.
Will do.
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes:
Steve Youngs <steve(a)sxemacs.org> writes:
> Are you going to keep git.gnus.org live for a period of time after the
> move so us slow-coaches can grab the last of the (S)XEmacs capable Gnus?
Sure. There's probably some way to switch it to read-only, I guess?
If you swich off all authenticated access then nobody will be able to
push any more.
Andreas.
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New subject: Moving Gnus development to Emacs?
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi(a)gnus.org> writes:
After the discussion here, I think I've decided to move Gnus
development
to Emacs and Emacsify the code for greater readability.
I see your point, but I think it's really unfortunate to not maintain
compatibility for at least the current actual release of emacs. I
really don't like to run development snapshots of most things -- only a
few things that I decide it's worth the stability risk. So basically
I'm suggesting maintaining compat for emacs 24 now, and when 25 is
released, maintaining 25 compat on the head of development.
This will make it easier for more people to track gnus development,
which I think will help gnus.
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