6:57 p.m.
I can't build the new tramp package, "make bindist" fails with:
-----
makeinfo -o texi/tramp.info texi/tramp.texi
texi/tramp.texi:31: Unknown command `copying'.
texi/tramp.texi:55: Unmatched `＠end'.
texi/tramp.texi:166: Unknown command `copying'.
texi/tramp.texi:191: Unmatched `＠end'.
makeinfo: Removing output file `texi/tramp.info' due to errors; use
--force to preserve.
make: *** [texi/tramp.info] Error 2
-----
My makeinfo is:
[scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
I don't see an entry for ＠copying in the texinfo 4.2 manual [1]. Kai,
could you take a look?
[1]
<http://www.gnu.org/manual/texinfo/html_node/Command-List.html#Command%20L...
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12:40 a.m.
|--==> "VS" == Ville Skytt <Ville> writes:
VS> I can't build the new tramp package, "make bindist" fails with:
VS> -----
VS> makeinfo -o texi/tramp.info texi/tramp.texi
VS> texi/tramp.texi:31: Unknown command `copying'.
VS> texi/tramp.texi:55: Unmatched `＠end'.
VS> texi/tramp.texi:166: Unknown command `copying'.
VS> texi/tramp.texi:191: Unmatched `＠end'.
VS> makeinfo: Removing output file `texi/tramp.info' due to errors; use
VS> --force to preserve.
VS> make: *** [texi/tramp.info] Error 2
VS> -----
VS> My makeinfo is:
VS> [scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
VS> makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
You need to upgrade to texinfo 4.2
VS> I don't see an entry for ＠copying in the texinfo 4.2 manual [1]. Kai,
VS> could you take a look?
It's there...
,----[ (texinfo)copying ]
| `＠copying': Declare copying permissions
| ---------------------------------------
|
| The `＠copying' command should be given very early in the document;
| right after the header material (*note Texinfo File Header::) is the
| recommended location. It conventionally consists of a sentence or two
| about what the program is, the legal copyright line, and the copying
| permissions. Here is a skeletal example:
|
| ＠copying
| This manual is for PROGRAM (version VERSION),
| which ...
|
| Copyright ＠copyright{} YEARS COPYRIGHT-OWNER.
|
| ＠quotation
| Permission is granted to ...
| ＠end quotation
| ＠end copying
|
| The `＠quotation' has no legal significance; it's there to improve
| readability in some contexts.
`----
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7:33 p.m.
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 02:40, Steve Youngs wrote:
VS> My makeinfo is:
VS> [scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
VS> makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
You need to upgrade to texinfo 4.2
VS> I don't see an entry for ＠copying in the texinfo 4.2 manual [1]. Kai,
VS> could you take a look?
It's there...
Oops! You're absolutely right. Just didn't catch my eye, sorry about
the noise. I guess texinfo 4.2 requirement is acceptable (though it's
kind of a PITA, major OS vendors seem to distribute 4.1), it just has to
be documented somewhere.
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8:30 p.m.
>>>> "Ville" == Ville Skytt <Ville>
writes:
Ville> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 02:40, Steve Youngs wrote:
VS> My makeinfo is:
VS> [scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
VS> makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
>
> You need to upgrade to texinfo 4.2
>
VS> I don't see an entry for ＠copying in the texinfo 4.2 manual
[1]. Kai,
VS> could you take a look?
>
> It's there...
Ville> Oops! You're absolutely right. Just didn't catch my eye,
Ville> sorry about the noise. I guess texinfo 4.2 requirement is
Ville> acceptable (though it's kind of a PITA, major OS vendors
Ville> seem to distribute 4.1), it just has to be documented
Ville> somewhere.
Even 21.5 still states this in /INSTALL (that's where the requirement
is documented):
XEmacs requires an ANSI C compiler, such as GCC. If you wish to build
the documentation yourself, you will need at least version 1.68 of
makeinfo (GNU texinfo-3.11).
I just got a report from Amir, that 3.12 no longer works on
man/xemacs/xemacs.texi.
This is due to a change of mine, using ifnottex, which requires at
least 3.12f.
I feel uneasy about jumping our requirement up all the way to 4.2 over
night.
Peter reports FreeBSD does not have 4.2 yet.
Any ideas?
Best regards,
Adrian
Ville> --
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9:20 p.m.
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 22:30, Adrian Aichner wrote:
Ville> Oops! You're absolutely right. Just didn't
catch my eye,
Ville> sorry about the noise. I guess texinfo 4.2 requirement is
Ville> acceptable (though it's kind of a PITA, major OS vendors
Ville> seem to distribute 4.1), it just has to be documented
Ville> somewhere.
Even 21.5 still states this in /INSTALL (that's where the requirement
is documented):
XEmacs requires an ANSI C compiler, such as GCC. If you wish to build
the documentation yourself, you will need at least version 1.68 of
makeinfo (GNU texinfo-3.11).
I just got a report from Amir, that 3.12 no longer works on
man/xemacs/xemacs.texi.
This is due to a change of mine, using ifnottex, which requires at
least 3.12f.
D'oh.
I feel uneasy about jumping our requirement up all the way to 4.2
over
night.
Peter reports FreeBSD does not have 4.2 yet.
Any ideas?
Not in any specific order:
- Require texinfo 4.2.
- Don't generate documentation for tramp by default.
- Detect texinfo version, and generate tramp docs only if it's >= 4.2.
- Work around the requirement in tramp some other way.
I wonder what's the minimum version of texinfo required to build/use
docs in other packages nowadays...
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10:09 p.m.
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Ville> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 02:40, Steve Youngs wrote:
>>You need to upgrade to texinfo 4.2
APA> I feel uneasy about jumping our requirement up all the way to
APA> 4.2 over night.
Yeah, I'd feel uneasy about it too, but this is an important upgrade
and we shouldn't overlook it.
,----[ texinfo-4.2/NEWS ]
| *** IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL AUTHORS OF TEXINFO MANUALS ***
|
| As of version 4.2, Texinfo has a new command ＠copying to define the
| copyright and copying permissions for a manual. It's important to
| switch to using it as soon as possible (as in your next release),
| because the historical method of doing copyright permissions using
| ＠ifinfo failed to output copyright information in the HTML (or XML)
| formats. The manual has detailed explanations and examples. For
| convenience, here's a url to one of the relevant sections:
| http://texinfo.org/manual/Document-Permissions.html
`----
APA> Peter reports FreeBSD does not have 4.2 yet.
I'm sure that the FreeBSD folks will pick it up soon, in the meantime
there's no reason why Peter can't build his own from source.
APA> Any ideas?
We should just do it.
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8:22 a.m.
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SY> |--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Ville> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 02:40, Steve Youngs wrote:
>>> You need to upgrade to texinfo 4.2
APA> I feel uneasy about jumping our requirement up all the way to
APA> 4.2 over night.
SY> Yeah, I'd feel uneasy about it too, but this is an important upgrade
SY> and we shouldn't overlook it.
SY> ,----[ texinfo-4.2/NEWS ]
SY> | *** IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL AUTHORS OF TEXINFO MANUALS ***
SY> |
SY> | As of version 4.2, Texinfo has a new command ＠copying to define the
SY> | copyright and copying permissions for a manual. It's important to
SY> | switch to using it as soon as possible (as in your next release),
SY> | because the historical method of doing copyright permissions using
SY> | ＠ifinfo failed to output copyright information in the HTML (or XML)
SY> | formats. The manual has detailed explanations and examples. For
SY> | convenience, here's a url to one of the relevant sections:
SY> | http://texinfo.org/manual/Document-Permissions.html
SY> `----
APA> Peter reports FreeBSD does not have 4.2 yet.
It was Norbert that reported it actually.
SY> I'm sure that the FreeBSD folks will pick it up soon, in the meantime
SY> there's no reason why Peter can't build his own from source.
This is my current intention.
I will be installing 4.2 any second now so that will sove the problem.
Its not like i have a standard install of FreeBSD anyway.
APA> Any ideas?
SY> We should just do it.
I agree fully with this. The packages are being built on my box,
so if i have 4.2 its not a problem anymore.
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9:20 a.m.
rendhalver(a)xemacs.org (Rendhalver [Peter Brown]) writes:
This is my current intention.
I will be installing 4.2 any second now so that will sove the problem.
Its not like i have a standard install of FreeBSD anyway.
Copy the texinfo.tex to a handy place, you'll need it. Otherwise, TeX
will complain about the ＠copying command. It's in the doc directory
of the texinfo sources.
norbert.
3:29 p.m.
>>>> "viteno" == Norbert Koch
<nk(a)viteno.net> writes:
viteno> rendhalver(a)xemacs.org (Rendhalver [Peter Brown]) writes:
> This is my current intention.
> I will be installing 4.2 any second now so that will sove the problem.
> Its not like i have a standard install of FreeBSD anyway.
viteno> Copy the texinfo.tex to a handy place, you'll need it. Otherwise, TeX
viteno> will complain about the ＠copying command. It's in the doc directory
viteno> of the texinfo sources.
thanks dude
i spotted that in the messages after i installed texinfo 4.2
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11:48 a.m.
Ville Skyttä <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org> writes:
[scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
Tramp now requires Texinfo 4.2 with the ＠copying command because
Richard wanted it that way. Is this also okay for the XEmacs folk or
should I add some workaround?
(Previously, the HTML version of Texinfo files often didn't have any
copying information at all because you had to include the copying
information manually in the different formats. The ＠copying command
takes care of putting the information into all formats.)
kai
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12:08 p.m.
Kai.Grossjohann(a)CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
Tramp now requires Texinfo 4.2 with the ＠copying command because
Richard wanted it that way. Is this also okay for the XEmacs folk or
should I add some workaround?
The build on FreeBSD will bail out, because it's got only Texinfo 4.1.
I can't even find version 4.2 in the ports. This is a -stable
FreeBSD.
At least, you've got to capture the error (or advise people to run
gmake -k).
norbert.
10:11 p.m.
|--==> "viteno" == Norbert Koch <nk(a)viteno.net> writes:
viteno> The build on FreeBSD will bail out, because it's got only
viteno> Texinfo 4.1. I can't even find version 4.2 in the ports.
viteno> This is a -stable FreeBSD.
Just build it from source.
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7:11 a.m.
>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<youngs(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> --==> "viteno" == Norbert Koch <nk(a)viteno.net>
writes:
viteno> The build on FreeBSD will bail out, because it's got only
viteno> Texinfo 4.1. I can't even find version 4.2 in the ports.
viteno> This is a -stable FreeBSD.
SY> Just build it from source.
This is not always an option.
And whether you believe in options or not, we want it to be _easy_,
not a PITA, for testers to build XEmacs. They should not have to go
out and get updated packages and build them from source. They should
not have to throw away or work around what their distro has settled on
as the "stable" version to build XEmacs if we can avoid it.
If a package person (eg, Kai) wants to require Texinfo 4.2, that's
fine. But we need to find a way to check for it, perhaps in
XEmacs.rules, so that we spit out a warning and not a broken build.
There's also a backward compatible solution, which is to work out how
to get it done right for all Texinfos we support (>=3.12, IIRC, not
to mention texinfo.el), put it in an include file, and use
＠include ../../generic-copyright.texi
perhaps with some appropriate macro definitions for AUTHOR, etc.
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12:46 p.m.
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
There's also a backward compatible solution, which is to work out
how
to get it done right for all Texinfos we support (>=3.12, IIRC, not
to mention texinfo.el), put it in an include file, and use
＠include ../../generic-copyright.texi
perhaps with some appropriate macro definitions for AUTHOR, etc.
That sounds way cool, I would use it for sure.
kai
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12:53 p.m.
>>>> "Kai" == Kai Grossjohann
<Kai.Grossjohann(a)CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:
Kai> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
> ＠include ../../generic-copyright.texi
Kai> That sounds way cool, I would use it for sure.
The main problem with this (as I saw later) is that it doesn't
necessarily cover people with special requirements. Of course since
effectively all packages will use GPL (or the somewhat new doc license
for manuals), those should be few.
On the other hand, we would probably be doing a service for many
people who have little idea of what to put in there.
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have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py
10:55 p.m.
>>>> "Ville" == Ville Skytt <Ville>
writes:
Ville> I can't build the new tramp package, "make bindist" fails
with:
Ville> -----
Ville> makeinfo -o texi/tramp.info texi/tramp.texi
Ville> texi/tramp.texi:31: Unknown command `copying'.
Ville> texi/tramp.texi:55: Unmatched `＠end'.
Ville> texi/tramp.texi:166: Unknown command `copying'.
Ville> texi/tramp.texi:191: Unmatched `＠end'.
Ville> makeinfo: Removing output file `texi/tramp.info' due to errors; use
Ville> --force to preserve.
Ville> make: *** [texi/tramp.info] Error 2
Ville> -----
Ville> My makeinfo is:
Ville> [scop＠bobcat tramp]$ makeinfo --version
Ville> makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.1
Ville> I don't see an entry for ＠copying in the texinfo 4.2 manual [1]. Kai,
Ville> could you take a look?
This is just to confirm that I can build latest XEmacs CVS tramp after
upgrading to
CYGWIN_NT-5.0 D5DC120J 1.3.12(0.54/3/2) 2002-07-06 02:16 i686 unknown
which has
makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.2
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
There is NO warranty. You may redistribute this software
under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING.
I still have the problem with latest XEmacs CVS tramp-version "2.0.10"
on W2K where tramp hangs in
accept-process-output(#<process "*tramp/scpx adrian(a)sunsite.dk*" pid 1516
state:run> 1)
during login in (emacs-version)
"XEmacs 21.5 (beta8) \"broccoli\" [Lucid] (i586-pc-win32, Mule) of Wed
Jul 31 2002 on D5DC120J"
Best regards,
Adrian
Ville> [1]
Ville>
<http://www.gnu.org/manual/texinfo/html_node/Command-List.html#Command%20L...
Ville> --
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Ville> ville.skytta at xemacs.org
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