12:54 p.m.
Hello
Perhaps this should have been posted to comp.emacs.xemacs, but this newsgroup seems almost
down.
My problem arose when my old laptop (windows XP, 1920x1200 screen) died, and I bought a
new laptop (windows 10, 3840x2160).
I fell in the "high dpi hell", with the toolbar icons nearly invisible on the
screen.
The edited text itself was made visible by choosing a good font size, but was blurred by
the stretching mechanism of windows 10.
I decided the only way to go was to buy a large monitor (32", 3840x2160), in order to
bypass the streching mechanism of windows 100, and display things at 100%.
Now the toolbar is correct, the text is crisp, but the menubar font is much too large,
taking much screen estate. Moreover, as I added many items to the menu, it no longer fits
in one line, making things unsightly.
I couldn't find in xemacs doc any way to change the menubar font. It seems the menubar
font (size) is hard coded in C, and no lisp function allows to access it.
Browsing the Web, I found solutions for Xemacs under Linux, or possibly Cygwin, using the
file .Xresources. I found also a solution for GNU emacs under Windows by setting register
values under the keys
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\GNU\Emacs
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\GNU\Emacs
Sadly this doesn't work for Xemacs, searching the register via regedit didn't give
me any key about menubar for Xemacs.
Perhaps I could create those keys and it would work, but I have no idea of the exact
spelling of those keys for Xemacs !
I considered changing for GNU emacs, or Xemacs under Cygwin, but MY Xemacs is highly
customized, including modifications in the elisp code for predefined functions, and it
would be a very hard job figuring how I could reimplement all my modifications (more than
20 years of various adjustments) in a new software.
The best way for me is to set the menubar font size for Xemacs under native windows, as it
is the only thing that doesn't work well with my new environment. If anybody out there
has a solution, or some hints towards the solution, please help me.
Thanks in advance.
Alain
4:37 p.m.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2017 11:54:53 -0000
alain.coste.3(a)orange.fr wrote:
The best way for me is to set the menubar font size for Xemacs under
native windows, as it is the only thing that doesn't work well with
my new environment. If anybody out there has a solution, or some
hints towards the solution, please help me.
I only have a hint. The menubar font is is set using an X property
when running X:
XEmacs*menubar.font: 10x20
Not sure how the X properties are handled under windows... it has been
too long.
Cheers,
Sean
11:38 a.m.
Hello Alain,
The menubar font in XEmacs is the system default menu font; on this XP
machine I can change it by going to Control Panel -> Display -> Appearance
-> Advanced -> selecting “Menu” in the “Item” drop-down, changing its font
and its size, then clicking OK, then Apply. I don’t know what the
corresponding approach is in Windows 10. There is no corresponding registry
entry, to my knowledge.
I would be surprised if other applications had no issues. Can you try
changing the corresponding system font and report back?
Best,
Aidan
Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh alain.coste.3(a)orange.fr:
Hello
Perhaps this should have been posted to comp.emacs.xemacs, but this newsgroup seems
almost down.
My problem arose when my old laptop (windows XP, 1920x1200 screen) died, and I bought a
new laptop (windows 10, 3840x2160).
I fell in the "high dpi hell", with the toolbar icons nearly invisible on the
screen.
The edited text itself was made visible by choosing a good font size, but was blurred by
the stretching mechanism of windows 10.
I decided the only way to go was to buy a large monitor (32", 3840x2160), in order
to bypass the streching mechanism of windows 100, and display things at 100%.
Now the toolbar is correct, the text is crisp, but the menubar font is much too large,
taking much screen estate. Moreover, as I added many items to the menu, it no longer fits
in one line, making things unsightly.
I couldn't find in xemacs doc any way to change the menubar font. It seems the
menubar font (size) is hard coded in C, and no lisp function allows to access it.
Browsing the Web, I found solutions for Xemacs under Linux, or possibly Cygwin, using the
file .Xresources. I found also a solution for GNU emacs under Windows by setting register
values under the keys
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\GNU\Emacs
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\GNU\Emacs
Sadly this doesn't work for Xemacs, searching the register via regedit didn't
give me any key about menubar for Xemacs.
Perhaps I could create those keys and it would work, but I have no idea of the exact
spelling of those keys for Xemacs !
I considered changing for GNU emacs, or Xemacs under Cygwin, but MY Xemacs is highly
customized, including modifications in the elisp code for predefined functions, and it
would be a very hard job figuring how I could reimplement all my modifications (more than
20 years of various adjustments) in a new software.
The best way for me is to set the menubar font size for Xemacs under native windows, as
it is the only thing that doesn't work well with my new environment. If anybody out
there has a solution, or some hints towards the solution, please help me.
Thanks in advance.
Alain
--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after forty pints of stout’
(C. Moore)
2:22 p.m.
Hello Aidan
Windows 10 is really a mess. Everything you can do in a reasonable simple way in XP
becomes almost impossible in Windows 10 ! All the stuff for adjusting menu fonts, title
bar fonts, window borders width, ... is gone in Windows 10, and you have to cope with the
generally aberrant values Microsoft decided for you (in fact Windows 10 was conceived for
tablets, and even if you buy the most expensive laptop or desktop computer, you end up
using a tablet...).
Fortunately, browsing the web gives some solutions, like register keys to modify, or
tweakers (Winaero Tweaker for instance) which allow to regain some control on GUI
appearance.
BUT, this is without counting with the deplorable way Windows 10 manages the scaling on
high DPI displays : if you leave Windows 10 manage the scaling, everything is blurred on
the screen, which is really a pity when you opted for a high DPI display !
The only way to go is to tell Windows 10 "Don't do anything" (an option
exists on a per application basis to have no scaling done by the OS, the scaling is done
by the application). And here is my problem : Xemacs must do all the scaling : no problem
for the text font (easy to change), fortunately the toolbar is fairly readable (at least
on my 32" monitor), but the menubar font sucks : much too large as I explained.
Now other applications have also problems, a web search with "windows 10 scaling
issues" gives you countless references to users complaining about this, and sometimes
some solutions. Sadly I didn't find anything for Xemacs native on Windows ...
To answer precisely your question, I tried to decrease the menu font size (using Winaero
Tweaker, as Windows 10 has no native way to do that). But as the Windows 10 scaling is
disabled for Xemacs (only way to have a crisp edited text), it had no effect, except
making Windows menus more difficult to read...
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