11:19 p.m.
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Dear Bug Team!
Hi--I'm running the Pink Tie (Red Hat) build of XEmacs. I have a
dual-head setup running Xinerama.
If the XEmacs window happens to be near the seam between my computer's
left head and right head, and I click a menubar item, the menu window
can be placed on the seam between my monitors. This is annoying and
hard to read.
Thanks!
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5:18 a.m.
>>>> "Tim" == Tim Showalter
<tjs(a)psaux.com> writes:
Tim> Hi--I'm running the Pink Tie (Red Hat) build of XEmacs. I
Tim> have a dual-head setup running Xinerama.
Tim> If the XEmacs window happens to be near the seam between my
Tim> computer's left head and right head, and I click a menubar
Tim> item, the menu window can be placed on the seam between my
Tim> monitors. This is annoying and hard to read.
Uh, what are we supposed to do about this? I thought the point of
Xinerama was that applications see one big screen. If you had
multiple screens, XEmacs would do the right thing; menus are not
placed outside the screen (unless they're actually bigger than the
screen).
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
ask what your business can "do for" free software.
6:49 p.m.
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>>>>>"Tim" == Tim Showalter
<tjs(a)psaux.com> writes:
Tim> Hi--I'm running the Pink Tie (Red Hat) build of XEmacs. I
Tim> have a dual-head setup running Xinerama.
Tim> If the XEmacs window happens to be near the seam between my
Tim> computer's left head and right head, and I click a menubar
Tim> item, the menu window can be placed on the seam between my
Tim> monitors. This is annoying and hard to read.
Uh, what are we supposed to do about this? I thought the point of
Xinerama was that applications see one big screen. If you had
multiple screens, XEmacs would do the right thing; menus are not
placed outside the screen (unless they're actually bigger than the
screen).
Well, don't place the menu across the screen boundary. It's an
additional constraint. The newer Xinerama APIs have ability to query
the server and find out where the monitor boundaries are. (Newer
versions of xscreensaver use these to good effect, as does at least
metacity.)
Mozilla, for instance, will always place the whole menu on one monitor
(although it seems to get this wrong if the menubar spans monitors).
I'm sorry--I know it's trivial. The last comment was supposed to
emphasize that I know that, but it doesn't, and I apologize for that
Thank you!
Tim
7:08 a.m.
>>>> "Tim" == Tim Showalter
<tjs(a)psaux.com> writes:
Tim> The newer Xinerama APIs have ability to query the server and
Tim> find out where the monitor boundaries are. (Newer versions
Tim> of xscreensaver use these to good effect, as does at least
Tim> metacity.)
XEmacs isn't a Xinerama application; it's an Xt application. It makes
a lot of sense for screen-savers and window managers to be Xinerama-
aware, but an ordinary app? Really, this is a deficiency in pop-up
management and probably should be handled by fixing Xt or the ICCCM
(the standard that defines window manager functionality, to a great
extent).
That said, simple or well-modularized code to handle the Xinerama APIs
would surely be added to 21.5 (devel branch), although it's doubtful
for 21.4. (We can cross that bridge when the code is contributed.)
Another possibility just struck me. Is it true that XEmacs frames are
never placed across monitor boundaries? If so, it would probably be
easy to ensure that menus are always placed inside the frame (although
I think this is quite ugly, and accessing Xinerama functionality
preferable).
For these purposes XEmacs is generally not too hard to hack. From
your description, I would guess that you probably just need to add
code to initialize the Xinerama extension (this might be hard to do
right in XEmacs, but it's the kind of thing a core XEmacs hacker can
probably help with at very little time cost), and a conditional call
to the Xinerama API in the menu-popping code. If you've done any X
programming at all, or if you want to try something new, I encourage
you to try it. Or if you know the hackers who wrote the code for
xscreensaver or metacity, I encourage you to ask them to help with
XEmacs.
But it's unlikely that a core hacker would volunteer to write the
code, because it involves the time to research the Xinerama API,
fiddle with stupid undocumented restrictions (I don't know about
Xinerama, but diagnosing a SUR in XIM is how I got started hacking
XEmacs---X11 is full of them!), and dealing with initial testing
(acquiring a monitor, installing Xinerama, etc). But these (with
advice from other Xinerama hackers and XEmacs maintainers) are stuff
you already mostly have, or can relatively easily get.
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
ask what your business can "do for" free software.
11:19 a.m.
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Tim> The newer Xinerama APIs have ability to query the server
and
Tim> find out where the monitor boundaries are. (Newer versions
Tim> of xscreensaver use these to good effect, as does at least
Tim> metacity.)
XEmacs isn't a Xinerama application; it's an Xt application. It makes
a lot of sense for screen-savers and window managers to be Xinerama-
aware, but an ordinary app? Really, this is a deficiency in pop-up
management and probably should be handled by fixing Xt or the ICCCM
(the standard that defines window manager functionality, to a great
extent).
This is unlikely to be a WM issue; menus normally have the
override_redirect flag set, so the WM won't get involved.
--
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements(a)virgin.net>
3:23 p.m.
>>>> "Glynn" == Glynn Clements
<glynn.clements(a)virgin.net> writes:
Glynn> Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> XEmacs isn't a Xinerama application; it's an Xt
application.
> It makes a lot of sense for screen-savers and window managers
> to be Xinerama- aware, but an ordinary app? Really, this is a
> deficiency in pop-up management and probably should be handled
> by fixing Xt or the ICCCM (the standard that defines window
> manager functionality, to a great extent).
Glynn> This is unlikely to be a WM issue; menus normally have the
Glynn> override_redirect flag set, so the WM won't get involved.
I was (inaccurately) aware of that, but I had a brief hallucination
that the window manager _could_ usefully get involved _if_ the X11
standards were changed to let it do so.
But, OK, that's not something that can be "fixed" after all --
XA_WM_TRANSIENT_FOR isn't good enough here because we don't want it
decorated and we're going to do some grabs, and override_redirect
prevents the WM from seeing the mapping at all; it's not a matter of
courtesy. And even if it was, it's hard to see how the WM could do a
decent job without negotiating with the app -- which is probably far
more complicated than just using the Xinerama API in the first place.
Boy, this GUI stuff can get hard. :-)
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
Ask not how you can "do" free software business;
ask what your business can "do for" free software.
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