[Bug: 21.4.15] documentation of Integer Type is wrong
Karl Stroetmann
stroetmann at BA-Stuttgart.De
Thu Nov 18 07:18:29 EST 2004
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Dear Bug Team!
The info node titled Integer Type says:
The range of values for integers in XEmacs Lisp is -134217728 to
134217727 (28 bits; i.e., -2**27 to 2**27 - 1) on most machines.
I am running xemacs on linux on a Pentium IV and when I try
(1+ 1073741822)
I still get the corret result. I think the correct range is -2**30 to
2**30 - 1 on most machines.
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System Info to help track down your bug:
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uname -a: Linux galerkin 2.6.8.1 #1 Wed Oct 6 09:16:23 UTC 2004 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
./configure 'i386-suse-linux' '--with-gcc' '--dynamic' '--rel-alloc' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--cflags=-O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing' '--ldflags=-s' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/X11R6/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--archlibdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.15/i386-suse-linux' '--docdir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.15/i386-suse-linux' '--lispdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.15/lisp' '--pkgdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.15/lisp' '--etcdir=/usr/share/xemacs/21.4.15/etc' '--statedir=/var/lib/xemacs' '--moduledir=/usr/lib/xemacs/21.4.15/i386-suse-linux/modules' '--infodir=/usr/share/xemacs/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--with-database=gnudbm,berkdb' '--with-ncurses' '--with-tty=yes' '--with-site-lisp' '--with-sound=native' '--with-gpm' '--pdump' '--with-xpm' '--with-gif' '--with-tiff' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-x' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib' '--with-mule' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-xfs' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-ldap' '--with-pop'
XEmacs 21.4.15 "Security Through Obscurity" configured for `i386-suse-linux'.
Compilation / Installation:
Source code location: /usr/src/packages/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.15
Installation prefix: /usr
Operating system description file: `s/linux.h'
Machine description file: `m/intel386.h'
Compiler: gcc -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -Wall -Wno-switch -pipe -O2 -march=i586 -mcpu=i686 -fmessage-length=0 -Wall -fno-strict-aliasing
Compiler version: gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (pre 3.3.5 20040809)
Compiler specs file: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.4/specs
Relocating allocator for buffers: yes
GNU version of malloc: yes
- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
Need to guess glibc1/2/etc here
Window System:
Compiling in support for the X window system:
- X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include
- X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib
- Handling WM_COMMAND properly.
Compiling in support for the Athena widget set:
- Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d
- Athena library to link: Xaw3d
Using Lucid menubars.
Using Lucid scrollbars.
Using Athena dialog boxes.
Using Athena native widgets.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse).
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Compiling in support for X-Face message headers.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Databases:
Compiling in support for Berkeley database.
Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
Compiling in support for LDAP.
Internationalization:
Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs).
Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method).
- Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support.
- Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar.
Compiling in support for Canna on Mule.
Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule.
Mail:
Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval.
Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
Using the new portable dumper.
Load-Path Lisp Shadows:
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/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/emu
/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/emu
/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/invisible
/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/invisible
/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/install
/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/install
/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/filename
/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/filename
/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/mcharset
/usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/mcharset
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/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/timezone
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/usr/share/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/apel/alist
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/usr/lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/preview/preview)
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