[VETO] old ws -- packages, define-behavior

Ben Wing ben at 666.com
Thu Nov 11 21:27:32 EST 2004


> As an old time UNIX user I disagree in part.  IMHO the 
> defaults should follow the conventions of the underlying 
> toolkit.  Pending-del has no place when running under Xt 
> because no other Xt app has that behaviour.  It is, however, 
> quite reasonable when running under natively Windows.

[a] it seems too random to have a behavior such as this enabled in some
cases and not others
[b] the app toolkit is an implementation thing that has little relevance for
users and is not something we should conditionalize on.
[c] I'm positive the Motif style guide says pending-delete behavior should
be ON.
[d] Netscape, e.g., is a Motif app with pending-del on.

> How about imposing a checkin delay instead?  Ben's just 
> dumped 70,000+ lines of patches onto us in the last two weeks 
> and to start checking them a few days after the initial post 
> with comments like:
> 
>     No one responded to my message of a week ago asking 
> people to test this.
> 
> is just plain annoying.  We probably haven't responded 
> because we busy reviewing and trying to work out what the 
> heck he's done!
> 
> Ben, I think the stuff that you contribute is wonderful and 
> hope that you continue to contribute but if you're going to 
> keep posting mega-patches then wait a month before 
> committing.  They may be old workspaces to you but we've only 
> just seen them need time to analyse them and test them on 
> non-Windows boxes.  Isn't that the purpose of review-before-commit?

A month is an awfully long time.  Please name one other project with such a
long delay.  After a month I'll probably have forgotten some of what I did,
in any case, and bug-fixing will be much harder.

[In fact, how many other projects have review-then-commit at all?  I
remember a statement awhile ago that the majority go the other way]






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