[Dcphp-dev] A presentation at DCPHP ...

Stephen Goodman steve at oeic.net
Tue Dec 18 09:32:16 EST 2007 

I'd be most interested in seeing a presentation on people's eclipse
configurations. I wanted to switch from dreamweaver to eclipse a few
months back, since I only use dreamweaver for code editing (no wysiwyg
stuff) and I find the data binding mechanism in Dreamweaver
overbearing. Its code completion is OK, but its lacking a lot of other
niceties that Eclipse has. Or can have. After spending the better part
of a day looking for an Eclipse extension that would do SFTP and file
checkin/out ala Dreamweaver, without even getting subversion
integrated, I went back to dreamweaver because I had actual work to
take care of. I don't know how much time I've wasted toggling between
dreamweaver, tortoiseSVN and firefox, but I know exactly how much time
I've wasted trying to get eclipse running a workflow I like.

It would be great to get a quick walkthrough of the various Eclipse
components people like, where they're found and how they fit into a
dev workflow.

Steve



On 12/18/07, Ben Colombini <ben at dcphp.com> wrote:
>
>  I'm typically preferential towards heavy-weight editors.  While I'm most at
> home with eclipse, for general-purpose editing I like jEdit.  They take
> awhile to open up (*awaits snarky comments about Java*), but once there they
> have such an impressive feature set that they save time through powerful
> tools, customizability, and early prevention of mistakes.  I must admit,
> however, that Eclipse can be clumsy when not doing a project-oriented task.
>
>  On the light-weight side I've been impressed by ConTEXT for Windows and
> very impressed by TextWrangler for Mac.
>
>  ...and I'm an emacs guy... and I mean that in the most not-fighting-words
> kind of way. ;)
>
>  Ben Colombini
> DC PHP
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> ben at dcphp.com
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>
>  Jason Sweeney wrote:
> i learned HTML using Dreamweaver so that is what i naturally fall back on.
> But i use Dreamweaver only for basic page layout (and HTML/CSS syntax). Once
> i have the basic design in HTML, i use BBEdit to actually write the business
> end.
>
>
> I started using BBEdit to modify the Dreamweaver code as it never wrote code
> that was "clean" enough.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Jason
>
>
>           -: Jason Sweeney :-
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>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Chris Edwards wrote:
>
> For windows I use Editplus for all my dev.  Super lightweight.  I don't use
> ftp either.  I have a dev server with samba running.  Very fast.  Also,
> Parallels is awesome.
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2007 7:47 AM, James Arthur <jim at judeministries.org> wrote:
>
> > I too learned on Dreamweaver, although I now occasionally use Zend --
> > Dreamweaver was great for someone who did not know what thye were doing
> and
> > is a wonderful learning tool.
> > Jim Arthur
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dcphp-dev-bounces at calypso.tux.org
> > [mailto:dcphp-dev-bounces at calypso.tux.org ] On Behalf Of
> Frank J. Gomez
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:09 PM
> > To: PHP Developers Group
> > Subject: Re: [Dcphp-dev] A presentation at DCPHP ...
> >
> > Let me also jump on this bandwagon.  I learned everything on DreamWeaver
> > and loved the code completion across languages (PHP, HTML, CSS -- don't
> > think the code completion was very good for JS).  One of things I loved
> > most was the integrated FTP with the smart folder management --
> > basically you end up with identical folder structures on your local
> > machine and server.
> >
> > But I hated Windows, and I love Ubuntu -- I'm also cheap and prefer FOSS
> > whenever possible.  I've tried a number of IDEs on Ubuntu and have been
> > pretty disappointed.  Right now I'm using gedit exclusively, which -- if
> > you're not familiar with it -- is a lot like notepad.  I know I can do
> > better than this, but I've never "gotten" the projects some of the
> > bigger IDEs seem to favor...
> >
> > Joseph LeBlanc wrote:
> > > I fourth the idea. At the moment, I use more of the "folder" approach
> > > with TextMate. For the software I currently write, one "project" is
> > > often spread between two folders in different parts of a larger
> > > framework. Also, I'm doing an increasing amount of JS and CSS; most
> > > IDE's I've seen offer little benefit in those regards.
> > >
> > > That said, I have used Eclipse for PHP before and did find the
> > > debugging and dynamic code completion helpful.
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Keith Casey wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Dec 17, 2007 1:23 PM, Ray Paseur 703.346.0600 <Ray at imaginedb.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> What Ed said.  I second the idea.
> > >>
> > >> I third the idea (does that work?).  I just had this one out with a
> > >> few people and what people need and are looking for make an IDE's
> > >> usefulness wildly subjective.  I know of a couple people who hate the
> > >> project-centric approach that Eclipse, Zend, etc take and prefer to
> > >> have the folder-centric approach of Dreamweaver, et al.  Personally,
> > >> with a simple integrated debugger, I know I catch more of my oops's
> > >> much sooner.  Reminds me, I need more ram for my machine...
> > >>
> > >> But you guys should know not to listen to me anyway... ;)
> > >>
> > >> kc
> > >>
> > >> --
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