Re: [Q] JIT Unicode code point support, and UTF-8 in compound text

Ben> also, can anyone make any comments about good mailers? I've always liked VM. The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't tickle anywhere near as many bugs and GNU incompatibilities as Gnus does, so I've switched to Gnus. Ben> google's gmail is wonderful about threading, which i find Ben> makes it much easier to have xemacs mixed with other mail ... Ben> but i'd rather use a local mailer, e.g. thunderbird. Actually, from what I've heard gmail doesn't handle threads very well at all. Apparently there's an 18-month old bug report, it gets reopened every few weeks, and Gmail basically replies "only 1% of you care, and we're not going to mess with it, it's fragile and 99% are satisfied." The claim is that Gmail totally breaks if there are people who know how threads are *supposed* to work, and do things like retitle threads when the topic changes or the thread splits into subthreads. This apparently causes Gmail users to lose 100% of context. Gmail also apparently breaks threads every time you post; unless your respondent top-posts, you have to go find your own message in the out-tray. YMMV, but be aware that lots of people are unhappy with Gmail threading for plausible reasons. An alternative---for your XEmacs traffic only---would be to move our discussion to an issue tracker, such as Roundup or Trac. (These are both Python programs, which makes me happier about maintaining them. Two plausible alternatives are Bugzilla and RT, but they're both Perl programs; I don't have time to deal with modern Perl. Bugzilla also still sucks at handling mail, which is important to me personally, and one project I know of---Darcs---just dumped their RT installation in disgust. They're moving to Trac because that's what ghc (Glasgow Haskell) uses.) Ben> does anyone know of mail programs for windows that are able Ben> to *really* handle threads intelligently, similar to the way Ben> that gmail does it? What I've seen on Mailman-Users suggests that you'll just have to try them, because nobody seems to know. Intelligent threading is not high on the list of things the Windows market demands. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.