3:05 a.m.
I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9 preview. After
a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of Fedora Core
9?
-sb
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5:26 a.m.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM, SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9
preview. After
a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of Fedora
Core
9?
You're brave. I'm waiting for Fedora 9 final. :-) FWIW, Fedora has been
shipping XEmacs 21.5 for awhile already. Here is what I have on my Fedora 8
machine:
xemacs-21.5.28-5.fc8
Regards,
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6:03 a.m.
On Wednesday 23 April 2008, SL Baur wrote:
I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9
preview. After
a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
their track record,
I maintain the xemacs, xemacs-packages ("essential" packages from Sumo) and
xemacs-packages-extra (the rest from the Sumo) packages in Fedora, but I
don't know what you're referring to with "their track record" here.
Could
you elaborate?
but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of Fedora Core 9?
This is nothing new. Fedora Core 6 (released in 2006) was the first Fedora
version that shipped XEmacs 21.5.x. Other distributions had moved on to
21.5.x series even earlier.
BTW, it's "Fedora X", not "Fedora Core X" since Fedora 7 ;)
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On 4/22/08, Ville Skyttä <scop(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 23 April 2008, SL Baur wrote:
> I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9 preview.
After
> a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
> hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
>
> I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
> their track record,
I maintain the xemacs, xemacs-packages ("essential" packages from Sumo) and
xemacs-packages-extra (the rest from the Sumo) packages in Fedora, but I
don't know what you're referring to with "their track record" here.
Could
you elaborate?
Stuff from before your time, I believe. Red Hat preinstalls in Japan with a
default .emacs that would bomb XEmacs, moving us off the basic installation
and into "power tools", .... (And XEmacs from the very first releases I made
supported RPM installs off the canonical download site).
I do note that FSF Emacs got the same shabby treatment we did - put in
the "Office" part of the installation.
Chuck Thompson warned me about this when I took over after 19.14, XEmacs
will always be my baby, even though other capable hands are in charge now.
> but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of Fedora Core 9?
This is nothing new. Fedora Core 6 (released in 2006) was the first Fedora
version that shipped XEmacs 21.5.x. Other distributions had moved on to
21.5.x series even earlier.
Just asking.
BTW, it's "Fedora X", not "Fedora Core X"
since Fedora 7 ;)
Noted. I joined the Fedora project this evening, btw.
-sb
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6:19 a.m.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:05:08 -0700, SL Baur wrote:
I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9
preview. After
a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of
Fedora Core 9?
I'm actually contemplating the same thing for Gentoo. Currently we still
only provide XEmacs 21.4.21, but with UTF-8 becoming more and more the
standard for text files it seems that 21.5 would be a better option for
many people despite being beta.
Kind regards,
Hans
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Hans de Graaff <graaff(a)gentoo.org> さんは書きました:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:05:08 -0700, SL Baur wrote:
> I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9 preview.
After
> a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
> hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
>
> I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all, given
> their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of
> Fedora Core 9?
I'm actually contemplating the same thing for Gentoo. Currently we still
only provide XEmacs 21.4.21, but with UTF-8 becoming more and more the
standard for text files it seems that 21.5 would be a better option for
many people despite being beta.
Yes, that’s why I switched to 21.5.x in the SuSE packages. The bad
UTF-8 support in 21.4.x is a showstopper nowadays. Although 21.5.x is
beta, it nevertheless works much better in most respects compared to
21.4.x. At least in my experience.
--
Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian
睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
I � Unicode
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Mike FABIAN writes:
Hans de Graaff <graaff(a)gentoo.org> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:05:08 -0700, SL Baur wrote:
>> I suppose we should be grateful they're still including
us at all, given
>> their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part of
>> Fedora Core 9?
Yes. Fedora is basically a beta distribution, although their quality
control is a lot higher than we normally associate with an open source
beta test distribution.
> I'm actually contemplating the same thing for Gentoo.
Currently we still
> only provide XEmacs 21.4.21, but with UTF-8 becoming more and more the
> standard for text files it seems that 21.5 would be a better option for
> many people despite being beta.
Yes, that's why I switched to 21.5.x in the SuSE packages. The bad
UTF-8 support in 21.4.x is a showstopper nowadays. Although 21.5.x is
beta, it nevertheless works much better in most respects compared to
21.4.x. At least in my experience.
Currently 21.5 is operationally stable. It has few crashes, none
reproducible AFAIK, and no other outstanding showstoppers. However,
from a user's standpoint, it's *very* rough around the edges. Offhand
I can mention (1) Ben's redesign of the Mule encoding detectors is not
really an improvement over the old one and needs some tuning before
it's as accurate as the old one, (2) Xft fonts are very poorly
supported by Customize and the menus, and (3) window configurations
are very buggy (probably due to the fact that they don't exist as
objects any more).
Volunteers to work on any of these problems (Mike has taken
responsibility for the window configuration stuff but progress is
slow) would be very welcome, and progress on them would be a big step
toward a 21.6 release.
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"SL Baur" <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes:
I've had the "opportunity" to install the Fedora Core 9
preview. After
a long post-installation hunt managed to track down where they had
hidden XEmacs and discovered that they're installing 21.5 beta.
I suppose we should be grateful they're still including us at all,
given their track record, but are we O.K. with a 21.5 beta being part
of Fedora Core 9?
Beta's just another word for nothing left to lose.
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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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