Losses are quite high at the moment. Looks like MAE-East may be the problem. It frequently is. I'm seeing about 20% loss to the site (gwyn.tux.org) and to the first hop past MAE-East. MAE-East is the primary Atlantic coast network meet point. This is enough to bring TCP to a crawl. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done to fix it except to route around it. I just don't know of any other place to get to their carrier, rcn, at this time. The ftp and www sites are really the same place. cvs is an entirely separate system at a different location. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman(a)es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634